as being similar to what got Roosevelt elected in the first place, is that today, the rich are really, really rich, and the rest of us just ain't going nowhere.

They had Duesenberg's back then, they've got RR's and Bentley's and Maybach's now. They built huge mansions back then, they are doing it again.

They bought Hoover back then, they've bought Bush & Cheney today.

In 1936, the people said, Enough!

Today, we say, Enough!

It's time that this democracy, which depends upon the common man, to start working for us, and not for those who can buy it.

Richard Viguery, the direct mail genius who helped make the Reagan/Gingrich revolution happen, says that he's written off 2008 -- that it probably won't be until 2012 that conservatism can rebound.

By the time little Bush makes it through the rest of his term, 2012 seems to be rather optimistic.

I would say that it will be a COLD DAY IN HELL before people forget what these incompetent, scum sucking pigs have done.

2012 MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAH

Let's take this one Congress at a time, one election at a time, one state at a time. Heck my state doesn't even get an off year this year(Kentucky) as we have a bitter fight over the Governor's Mansion. If we start to act like Democrats are the ones entitled to govern, then we run the risk of having corruption sink us too. I say Congressional term limits (4 terms as a Rep, 2 terms as a Senator), link Congressional pay to the minimum wage, so that when they vote a pay raise for the next Congress, the same percentage is added to the minimum wage. Bring back the citizen legislator, then maybe the laws won't be written, so that only lawyers can understand them.

I think this may be the wrong word to use to describe Republicans like Bush, Cheney, and Newt.  I can't see much that's conservative about them - they seem more radical to me.  Conservatism is about preserving tradition.  Today's Republicans hate tradition, and seek to abolish or subvert it.  Conservatism is about caution, and today's Republicans are reckless.

The reason Pete McCloskey has abandoned the Republicans is precisely that they aren't conservative any more.  He finds the Democrats more conservative now.  Today, it is Democrats who seek to preserve our political system, with checks and balances, fairness and competence.  Today, it is Democrats who seek fiscal responsibility and caution.  Today, it is Democrats who seek to keep the government out of our bank accounts, telephone lines, and beds.

True Conservatives are our friends and family; they are not the enemy.  Democrats should make it clear that the reason Republicans must be defeated is not because they are Conservative but because they are Radical.  Conservatives and Liberals have more in common than either of us do with the wild-eyed terror-mongers in power today.

I'm not worried about Conservatism rebounding.  I'd be happy if it did; I'd like to have adversaries we can respect.  I even get wistful sometimes:  I'd love it if we could argue about the right amount of money to spend on Civics classes versus Art classes instead of the right amount to bury in the dirt in Iraq versus funnel into Halliburton's offshore bank accounts.

I'm more worried about neo-con radicalism rebounding.  It will do so only if they can count on true conservatives not peeling off.  The way we prevent the resurgence of this radicalism is by welcoming Conservatives to the Democratic party with open arms.

Generations of New England Republicans.  Abolitionists, the whole bit.  When they nominated Reagan, she switched to Independent and supported Anderson in 1980, mostly supporting Dems in the meantime.  Then, just this last year, she switched from Independent to Dem so she could vote against Lieberman in the CT Democratic Primary.