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  •  I really wish (6+ / 0-)

    that when people ask these guys about the time required for the escalation to be 'given a chance' they use a metric of American dead, instead of the way-too-easy months, i.e. "Ok Senator, a CONSERVATIVE monthly average of American servicemen killed is 75/month.  So, is what you're saying is that we should wait until at least 450 more servicemen die before we decide what to do?"

    And yes I know that the actual monthly average is much higher.  The example was just to take into account the way a supporter would turn a higher number into a debate as to what the average really is.

    •  imagine the calculus (1+ / 0-)
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      if one were to include all the dead.

      •  Oh I know (1+ / 0-)
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        but, as you know, its only the American dead that count with the media(remember the weeklong Te Deum after 31 VT students as opposed to the 200+ Iraqis killed two days later).

        •  What are the real numbers? (1+ / 0-)
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          I ran across this article this morning. They claim:

          Once it became evident that what had been expected to be a short, successful military campaign against Saddam Hussein had turned into a long drawn out and escalating guerilla war, the Department of Defense, acting on orders from the White House, began to reduce the daily public casualty list. Families and survivors of the dead were duly notified and the bodies were shipped back to the States for private burial but the numbers of the dead, and the wounded, were deliberately kept as low as possible for political reasons.  For internal use only, a realistic, and accurate, monthly report was issued for those concerned but it was not made public. When this private report was located by outside sources and sent around the Internet, the site was immediately shut down.

          This original listing showed that as of mid-2005, the death count in both Iraq and Afghanistan topped 10,000 with 20,000 seriously wounded.  By 2007, the death toll has risen to over 15,000 (and rising daily) with officially reported serious woundings (required out of theater hospitalization) at 50,508 as per a report published in the New York Times of January 30, 2007.

          Does anyone know of any verification or debunking of these allegations? It's the first time I've read them. It isn't the first time TBRNews has made them however. A couple of years ago, they wrote:

          U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals are not counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005.

          True or not, it is interesting.

          •  I did know about the 2nd blockquote... (1+ / 0-)
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            They are not counted as KIA.  

            -6.5, -7.59. I want to know who the men in the shadows are... ~Jackson Browne

            by DrWolfy on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 07:56:15 AM PDT

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          •  Can we get some verification of this? (1+ / 0-)
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            If these numbers are anywhere near accurate, and the same ratio is holding true today, we are losing around FOUR times the number of soldiers in the Iraq war that the Pentagon is reporting. That's a major scandal and one that hits home to the American people.

            "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Jefferson

            by DanK Is Back on Mon Apr 30, 2007 at 10:01:09 AM PDT

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