View Story | 31 comments
Comments: Expand Shrink Hide (Always) | Indented Flat (Always)
of late capitalism the way you do.
Don't hold your breath. It probably won't happen in our lifetimes. We'll have to see a lot of death and environmental damage before the capitalists fall that far out of favor.
In your calculations please consider:
"Imagine all the people/ Sharing all the world" -- John Lennon
by Cassiodorus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 01:51:19 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
I'll tip that just for boldness!
"the people have the power to redeem the work of fools" --Patti Smith
by Immigrant Punk on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:00:48 PM PDT
there's a Marx diary...
by Cassiodorus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:02:10 PM PDT
Historian? or Economist?
by Immigrant Punk on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:06:09 PM PDT
by Cassiodorus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:40:20 PM PDT
I meant, as in how Marx is to be read, as a historian or as an economist?
And yes, those of us into... interdisciplinarity, do indeed tend to heart our Gramsci... to whatever degree... though that doesn't always translate into a mention by name. Thus the conclusion of your boldness. Generally, I find that G's more like... invoked, when one wants to "do" hegemony for a moment, like one invokes Foucault before going all "body" on something, for example. On the way to somewhere else, undoubtedly.
Or so it seems to me.
BTW, I hear some of the anarchos are out to "get" Gramsci now, as one of the largest remaining red threats to, um.... anarcho hegemony, let's say, on the far left.
But will that help get Dems elected? :-)
Stay tuned to... As the Thread Turns!
by Immigrant Punk on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:20:05 PM PDT
I thought Capital was intended more as an "anti-economics" than a treatise on economics... Marx is saying to the economists of his era, both in volume 1 and in volume 3, look, your whole house of cards will eventually collapse.
Now, me, generally in arguments on history I tend to side with Kees van der Pijl, generally regarded as a neo-Gramscian, whose book Transnational Classes and International Relations can be read as an elaboration of a portion of The German Ideology...
by Cassiodorus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:37:54 PM PDT
I'll check it out-- thanks, C-d!
One can learn something new every day around this place... if only one lets it happen... :-)
by Immigrant Punk on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 03:50:20 PM PDT
I'm more in agreement with you than not; I'm playing devil's advocate for the most part.
You are a true believer-- and I respect that. You ask:
What are you doing in that regard?
Trust me, I'm not doing as much as you are. Suffice to say, I am a highly educated and trained professional who has spent my lifetime learning a very defined set of technical skills. I'm not blowing my own horn, I'm merely stating facts.
I'm not alone. The most highly "educated" folks in our society feel that they have little time to march in the streets against capitalism, and they'll ride this horse as long as it's in their best interests.
I live in the middle of America, in a middle-sized town-- the type that has disproportionately borne the cost of our ill-fated carbon-based economic wars. They have given their sons and their dollars to George W. Bush, and feel no regret. This county would re-elect him again if given the chance.
I can't talk sense into them. And if I can't, then I know pointy-headed liberals from Berkeley and Boston won't either. So, with all due respect, keep up the fight my brother, and I'll continue to do my duty to keep the self-abusing masses in the Great Flyover healthy, so that when the paradigm shifts, we'll have a viable society left to be converted to Socialism.
"Hope and fear chase each other's tails." --Buddha
by Grodge on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:32:20 PM PDT
You are a true believer-- and I respect that
I'm hanging over the precipice with you...
by Cassiodorus on Sun Apr 08, 2007 at 02:45:40 PM PDT
wide narrow
View Story | 31 comments