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  •  FLAC, while not lossy (0+ / 0-)

    can only encode what is there. If it's a CD, then it's 44.1 kHz if it's vinyl or tape, then the rate should be higher - like 96 - 192kHz for the full spectrum.

    "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

    by theRoaringGirl on Mon May 21, 2007 at 09:49:33 PM PDT

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    •  yeah yeah (0+ / 0-)

      how many people needs to seperate sound texture above 12Khz? seriously... only electronica and some avant jazz does that. The rest can't even plug guitar right nevermind controling harmonic distortion at that frequency.

      Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

      by fugue on Mon May 21, 2007 at 11:54:36 PM PDT

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      •  Ever wonder why a Barry White CD (0+ / 0-)

        FEELS different from the cassette or thevinyl recording? Those frequencies that are considered "unnecessary" above 44.1kHz, have been found to be necessary to give music it's warmth. It's why digital audio is moving into the 96khz and above and using DVD-audio.

        . H. Yamada
           On a Factor of Pleasantness in Music Appreciation (Japanese)

           ABSTRACT
           Oohashi et al. have experimentally shown that inaudible high-frequency components in music nevertheless constitute a contributory factor to the pleasure in listening. Based on their findings and some certain facts from auditory physiology and brain science, we critically examine some aspects of musical qualities of analog LP and digital CD records...

        this is all of the abstract in english I could locate. source: http://www.nii.ac.jp/...

        "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

        by theRoaringGirl on Tue May 22, 2007 at 05:26:28 AM PDT

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        •  berry effing white? (0+ / 0-)

          there is your problem there.

          Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

          by fugue on Tue May 22, 2007 at 06:22:11 AM PDT

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          •  I was using White as an example (0+ / 0-)

            If you still own a turntable, put on your favorite record. and listen. Next, put on the same recording, but in it's CD format. I can guarantee, you won't feel the same warmth that you would feel with vinyl or analog tape. Unless of course you're into Death Metal, then  44.1kHZ is perfectly adequate. But for classical, jazz, and other full spectrum sounds, it's killing your ears.

            "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

            by theRoaringGirl on Tue May 22, 2007 at 07:25:16 AM PDT

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            •  dude. (0+ / 0-)

              berry white was recorded pre-digital. No mic or mechanical reproduction can transmit whatever frequency you are blathering about. You makes stuff up.

              Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

              by fugue on Tue May 22, 2007 at 10:38:17 AM PDT

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              •  Baloney. (0+ / 0-)

                http://arts.ucsc.edu/...

                http://aroundcny.com/...
                Typically, a very good phonograph record can contain ultra-high frequencies ranging from 21,000 Hz to 25,000 Hz (cycles per second) or even higher, while a compact disc will not have any musical frequency above about 19,000 Hz.

                Perhaps more significantly, the MP3 revolution may be leading to a generation that has no concept of distortion. At the Winter NAMM Show this past January, an engineering acquaintance related how he had to sit his son down and explain distortion to him. At the risk of sounding like an old fuddy-duddy, kids today are used to hearing "crunchy" audio. Young people who have only lived during this digital era are largely unaware of 'good' distortion, the acceptable harmonic distortion of analogue audio.

                To them, what we consider bad digital distortion is simply a part of the music that they listen to daily. Trading poorly "ripped" MP3s (regardless of legality), they have become so used to the crunchy sound quality of the format that, as some readers who have discussed the matter with their own children may attest, they may find it not only acceptable but even preferable to CDs.

                FROM PROSOUNDWEB:
                The crunch of digital distortion, which is not limited to MP3s, of course, but can just as easily find its way into the digital recording process and onto disc or into the live sound arena, is unpleasant. The pops, clicks, and surface noises of the vinyl beloved of audiophiles pale by comparison to the harsh distortion of digital audio, compressed or uncompressed...Is wrong always wrong? Analogue distortion can even be a major component of a sound, such as an electric guitar, and therefore desirable. If you run audio through a tube device, you are doing it to add flavor, not to reproduce something exactly or realistically. In such cases, the audio process may not be accurately recreating the original source, but it is at least adding partials that are music-related, and therefore relatively harmonious.

                There's a reason why old mixing consoles, such as those designed and built by Rupert Neve, for example, are so sought after. The "warmth" controls on Mr. Neve's contemporary updates of his old designs actually introduce a modicum of distortion. That was something that was inherent in many of his original designs, albeit at low levels, yet which could impart an emotional response to the music produced through the equipment that made it attractive to the listener.

                In the analog world, distortion is usually related to the original sound. The transistors, op amps, resistors, capacitors, and inductors can add even or odd harmonics. These unwanted extra harmonics are related to the original sounds in evenly spaced octaves.

                "My case is alter'd, I must work for my living." Moll Cut-Purse, The Roaring Girl - 1612, England's First Actress

                by theRoaringGirl on Tue May 22, 2007 at 02:03:51 PM PDT

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                •  LP (0+ / 0-)

                  cannot reproduce in the frequency you mention 20khz+. Unless you break law of physic regarding heat vibration on needle.

                  can we quit the BS and pass the physic 101 first please. thanks.

                  Use Tor and PGP on the net. (google it)

                  by fugue on Wed May 23, 2007 at 07:26:01 AM PDT

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