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  •  BTW...I think it's unconscionable to teach (2+ / 2-)
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    young children that all their family will be exterminated if they don't support emotionally and financially, a small country across the world for the rest of their lives.

    The best thing that happened to the Jewish tribe was to intermarry and the diaspora.

    Either you are for the status quo, or you're not. -7.00, -2.92

    by mattes on Sun May 13, 2007 at 11:59:34 AM PDT

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    •  That was untrue, anti-Semitic and UPRATED! (1+ / 0-)
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      The best thing that happened to the Jewish tribe was to intermarry and the diaspora

      Outrageous.   The best thing that happened to Jews was to be spread out across Europe and the Middle East, hunted down, kicked out of country after country, forcibly converted, shoved into dhimmitude, exterminated and treated as animals?   I guess you think it is in the best interest of the Jews for Israel to be demolished and for them to return to the disapora?

      I can't believe this has been uprated.

      Finally, your assumption that most Jews only support Israel out of fear is, in my experience, false.

      President of the Elders of Zion Chapter 112

      by Pumpkinlove on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:55:28 PM PDT

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      •  I only know what many Jews have (1+ / 0-)
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        written here. Fear that they will be exterminated without Israel.

        Look what has happened to the Native American? Look what is being done to millions of indigenous people around the world.

        Do don't think the disapora was a good thing?? Look at what they have accomplished around the world! If it was NOT for the disapora, many would be dead.

        Ban people for a month that personally attack other Kossacks contributing nothing to the subject. -7.00, -2.92

        by mattes on Sun May 13, 2007 at 03:38:58 PM PDT

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      •  "shoved into dhimmitude" (0+ / 0-)

        Hey, who needs Pam Atlas?

    •  Diaries.. remove your rec of this shit. (0+ / 0-)

      President of the Elders of Zion Chapter 112

      by Pumpkinlove on Sun May 13, 2007 at 02:55:46 PM PDT

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      •  Ah, this is where that diary came from. (3+ / 0-)
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        Sorry, PL, no can do. I agree with mattes on this one. It's a bad thing to ingrain into a person the idea that a particular patch of Earth is the only thing that stands between that person's existence and annihilation. That's a black-and-white way of looking at the world (us v. them! only one can live! kill or be killed! cleanse or be cleansed!), and it's not one I've ever subscribed to.

        ...the girls will get reports on the hour / from boys on the catwalk by the tower...

        by Diaries on Sun May 13, 2007 at 04:17:09 PM PDT

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    •  By the last sentence of your post (0+ / 0-)

      We should just transfer the Palestinians out, since intermarriage and diaspora are so great.

      •  I have (4+ / 0-)
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        repeatedly seen fear-mongering pro-israel indoctrination of the worse sort in synagogues, in my Jewish school, in my Jewish youth groups etc... It is pervasive. I agree that Jews should support the existanse of a Jewish state 60 years after the Holocaust by simply looking at history. But the fact remains that the pure history is not presented in synagogues and schools (at least the ones I attended). I have heard maybe hundreds of times that "in every generation our enemies will try to destroy us and in every generation we must fight them etc etc" to later making an equivalence between the Nazi "Final solution" and the nasserite "We will throw them to the sea", to later saying every Jew should irrestrictly and incondicionally support the state of Israel.
        Basically, we've always had enemies who have wanted to kill us, it was the Nazi regime 60 years ago, it is the Arabs today and we must therefore support Israel no matter what if we are to survive.
        I mean common guys, we all know this is how it is, at least in the Latinamerican communities this is how it works, and for what I know, its pretty similar in the US.
        They take us to Birkenau and they make us sing Hatikvah on the train rails. Lets be honest here, this is very powerful, very sophisticated and very regularly used emotional indoctrination.
        It is how you explain that thousands of people who are supposed to be the most strong supporters of human rights and dignity, end up uncondicionally supporting a horrible and criminal military occupation.


        "There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people." Howard Zinn

        by Chilean Jew on Sun May 13, 2007 at 09:59:14 PM PDT

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    •  This is a really really disgusting comment (0+ / 0-)

      Would give it a doughnut if time had not already expired.

      I hope it reflects nothing more than momentary anger.

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