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for impeachment. Let's say the House approves it.
It goes to the Senate for trial, where after trial 67 votes are required. Cheney, by the way, would preside over that trial.
Are you still going to blame Pelosi? Why would the citizens of this country be enraged in November, 2008 by what they are NOT enraged about now?
Are they just waiting on the next election to give voice to their outrage?
Ultimately, the American public is fine with Bush. Pelosi can only do what she can do in the House. Reid has an insurmountable challenge in the Senate. Why? Because the American people don't care. They don't like Iraq, but only 40% of Americans are demanding that we get out now link. Sure 77% think Iraq is "going badly", but 37% won't demand we do a thing about it.
The problem is the people.
Small varmints, if you will.
by 2lucky on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:08:53 PM PDT
The American public already isn't "fine" with Bush. And they aren't political junkies. And the MSM isn't getting the word out, so they have no clue what is going on.
IMPEACH=Rock+Hard Place! Let every Rethug either publicly support the least popular president in 30 years, or admit their president is a traitor.
by zephron on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:14:52 PM PDT
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They've heard about DOJ. They've heard about Hallibuton, the war profiteering, the refusal to arm our troops, the conditions at Walter Reed, the lies about Iraq, the failing occupation in Iraq.
They're also living the economy, which for folks who work for a living, isn't working.
The reason Rs in Congress continue to support Bush on Iraq is because the American people aren't kicking their asses on it. Only immigration has been a pain-in-the-ass for them.
As I said, even if Pelosi leans on the house to vote for impeachment, that's not near the end of the story. If the public isn't on the House's ass on anything but immigration, what's that say about the American public will to change things? Just vote every couple of years and it's all done?
by 2lucky on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:34:30 PM PDT
Just because it got on the news for a breif moment doesn't mean they saw it or understood it. Impeachment hearings would bring a whole different set of eyes to it.
And yeah, the economy isn't working for most of us. Many are working like dogs just to tread water. Those people normally don't have time to keep their head up and pay attention. Again, impeachment hearings will change that. They'd even prempt American Idol! Okay, maybe I'm getting carried away ...
by zephron on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:49:40 PM PDT
Preempt American Idol?:) Now THAT would be a feat.
I think there's a lot of generalized dissatisfaction with Bushco in the general public. But, think about this (in the poll linked above): 77% people think we're screwed in Iraq; only 40% want to get our asses out. People like to stew in their disappointments, but won't necessarily do anything about it. Including picking up their phones.
As for an impeachment trial: are they going to include Gitmo, torture, DOJ firings, war profiteering, lying about the Iraq intelligence, failures in prosecuting the war, etc. A trial to include all those things would take 50 years. The Senate would have to choose one issue (abuse of power, say) and hammer it home. But I don't see the public being moved enough to call R Senators. It's sad, but I don't see it.
by 2lucky on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:56:13 PM PDT
Otherwise we've already lost. And that I cannot accept.
by zephron on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:59:59 PM PDT
It wasn't bad enough that the SC interfered on Bush's behalf. We had four solid years of a Republican Congressional majority that not only refused to carry out oversight, but attacked and threatened the judiciary at every turn. Not to mention the corruption at every turn. Not to mention the artful destruction of the DOJ and other federal agencies. Oh, and a couple of failing wars were commenced.
What did America do in 04? Relected the same clowns, with a popular majority to boot. It took two more years for Americans to get pissed off. Even now, Americans think the war in Iraq is a disaster, but aren't demanding withdrawal.
Doesn't look promising to me.
by 2lucky on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 12:12:37 AM PDT
that a failure to affirm Impeachment in the Senate would somehow offer Bush cover.
There are no legal or historical or Constitutional basis (unless you are thinking of the double jepardy clause, which only applies to criminal prosecutions, and not at all to the Executive Branch and Impeachment).
On the contrary, at the very least, an attempt to Impeach will at least leave the history books with some concrete evidence that the entire US government, including the Congress, wasn't up to their necks in secretive, suspect activities. That at least some of those in the halls of power were still concerned with the concept of equal justice and that no man, and especially not the president, is above the law.
Si, se puede cambiar~~Yes, we can change~~Obama '08
by Angie in WA State on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:29:47 PM PDT
this Legislature to get them improved healthcare, do something to resolve Iraq short of an immediate pullout, get the minimum wage act fully passed, etc. All the things we promised during the election in 2006.
If this Congress and Senate get bogged down in Impeachment and no promised legislation gets passed, the Dems would be kickout rather than stengthening their positions.
Remember, they would have to impeach both Bush and Chaney. Would the public stand for the instablility of having both the Pres and VP expelled at the same time with 2 unelected people replacing them?
BTW, why are isn't the leadership as well as every Dem member charging the Repubs with obstructionism the way they do when we're in the minority. They should do it every time they get in front of a mike!
It's the Supreme Court, stupid!
by auapplemac on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:44:58 PM PDT
the 110th Congress took up the gavel and started "The People's business" of 2007?
What legislation that the Democrats have offered up has been signed into law by President Bush?
Do we have Universal Healthcare, or just better than 2006 healthcare? Did the Iraqi Occupation end, and I just missed the news report?
There is no 'getting bogged down with Impeachment', this Democratic Majority is a majority of one, and Cheney decided all tie votes. The 110th Congress has not had a hope in hell of accomplishing ANYTHING since they took office. The Speaker, and anyone who can count to 100 have known this since January 1 of this year.
Not to mention that even when they pass legislation in the House and Senate, they need Bush to sign it, and I believe that the single bill that was passed, he vetoed.
Now, please tell me again how impeachment would stop this congress from doing the work of the people?
by Angie in WA State on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:52:24 PM PDT
let the public know loudly and often that they need to vote in more D's in order to do the people's business.
I watch a great deal of TV news and commentary, but have never heard one Dem say the the R's are preventing the passage of important legislation. If the Pres vetos that at least makes headlines, but if the R's prevent the bills from passing, it hardly makes a ripple.
Can't depend on the media, must keep pounding away at that message. Need more Dems, need more Dems. Give us an veto proof majority!
by auapplemac on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 12:27:21 AM PDT
Yes, if Pelosi strong-armed the House, there would be an official record. There would also be an official Senate record of failure to convict. Largely because the American public is so f***ing stupid that they think less of this Dem Congress than they do of Bush. Or Cheney.
I abhor this administration. I frankly would like to see Pelosi do the impeachment drill for the emotional satisfaction. But after that? Then what? The thrill of failure in the Senate?
The history books have, and will have, a world of misdeeds upon which to judge this administration.
by 2lucky on Mon Jul 02, 2007 at 11:49:46 PM PDT
Remember 1999?
by daveweigel on Tue Jul 03, 2007 at 06:03:10 AM PDT
wide narrow
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