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  •  The problem is... (5+ / 0-)

    there's no people outside hospitals yelling at patients and telling them they should NOT have heart bypass surgery.

    So...what's wrong with "Rarely Needed"?

    HotFlashReport - Opinionated liberal views of the wrongs of the right focusing on abortion and reproductive rights.

    by annrose on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:16:13 PM PDT

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    •  I want someone to defend the morality of abortion (13+ / 0-)

      I want our presidential candidates to say that abortion is a moral choice which requires strength and courage.  That women and families make these choices for the children they already have or will have in the future.

      Access to professional abortion care helps build healthy families.  Forced maternity on behalf of the state hurts families.  We need Choice Joyce's stuff here that explains that if we think abortion is immoral then we really think women are immoral.  Well, I guess that is why Irishwitch has trouble with Christianity.  But the Bible aside, I want our presidential candidates to speak forcefully about women needing abortion care in order to create healthy American families.  Because that is the truth and the truth is long overdue.  Professional abortion care is declining at an alarming right in this country for a variety of reasons.  And something needs to be done.  "Safe, Legal and Rare" comes no where close to discussing what needs to be discussed regarding public policy and professional abortion care and the crisis (yes, crisis) we are now in when it comes to "reproductive health care".

      Women, each of whom are someone's DAUGHTER, are being hurt TODAY IN AMERICA because they have no access to professional abortion care.  We have a crisis for American women and our Democratic leaders are silent...or have thrown us under the damn bus!

      •  Amen. n/t (7+ / 0-)

        HotFlashReport - Opinionated liberal views of the wrongs of the right focusing on abortion and reproductive rights.

        by annrose on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:40:08 PM PDT

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      •  Very well said, Readrock! (7+ / 0-)

        A private gyn office offering full gyn services including abortion care to 18 weeks.

        by william f harrison on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:06:05 PM PDT

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      •  I'm 73 so I grew up with it being illegal (9+ / 0-)

        and I had girlfriends who worked for doctors that got them. And well done abortions and got themselves admitted to the hospital right afterwards.

        But poor women everywhere will seek any way they can find to get them. If they can't find anyone they can find a clothes hanger. And they will do that in desperation. There was a time in my life that I knew I'd rather be dead than pregnant.

        Anyone who feels that way has no business raising a baby. And shouldn't have to.

        But this is not a moral war. It is a war against women pure and simple. If women have legal and easy access to abortion then they are not so easily controlled. And any woman wanting out of a bad marriage who becomes pregnant is desperate. And never forget that men deliberately try to make you pregnant to keep you just where you are. Dependent. On them.

        And the worst offenders are the women who had to get married or were dumped are the most vicious when their daughters become pregnant. You are going to have this baby or else. I did and so are you. They do not want their daughters to escape and have a different life than they have had. So it is still hatred of the baby they had to have.

        FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

        by abbeysbooks on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 02:22:12 PM PDT

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      •  First of all Irish WItch (1+ / 0-)

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        doesn't have issues with Christianity. She has issues with a particular BRAND of Christianity--the fundamentalist literalist brand, which is strongly anti-woman.

        I DO have problems with Paul--or, rather the Paul who constantly tells women to sit down and shut up and obey their husbands because God made them dictators in the home.  I say "the Paul" because most reputable scholars believe that Paul's epistles weren't written by the reformed Saul of Tarsus who had  seizure on the road to Damascus, but by several different men, each with his own point of view and a particular drum to bang.

        I don't hate Christianity or Christians, but object strongly to what has been done to women in the name of Jesus of Nazareth.  HE never demeaned woman.  He treatd women as equals to be respected--and if the Gnostic Gospels have validity (and they have as much claim to it as the ones that made the Official Cut at Nicea), His beloved disciple was a woman he loved deeply (and may have married; that's possibly the ONLY truth in the DaVInci Code--in that time period, a rabbi like Jesus was expected to be married, unless he was an Essene which Jesus wasn't).

        One of my acquaintances summed it up well: "Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed respected and honored women and treated them like equals.  Then their followers, who weren't nearly that enlightened, came along and fucked it all up."

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Thu Aug 23, 2007 at 10:52:07 AM PDT

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    •  Well there should be. Chelation should be tried (0+ / 0-)

      first. I was getting chelation one day and an older man came in all smiles and jubilant. He said he had just been to his cardiologist and got the report that he was "clean as a whistle".

      So he elaborated and told us he had been diagnosed and scheduled for a quadruple bypass. He said he told his doctor that he was going to do chelation first and he would keep checking back in with him. He went through either 10 or 20 sessions and then got the all clean signal.

      At that time each sdession was $50 so he either spent $500 or $1000 on chelation. Compared to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx for a quad bypass?

      Now if you were a cardiologist, which one would you prescribe for your patient? Anyway to avoid some TRing around here, I am not advocating chelation over surgery. I am just saying check your options. You can always do the surgery if chelation doesn't do the trick for you.

      The hitch is that the insurance pays for the quad and not for the chelation. Anyone want to take a trip over the border to Mexico?

      Actually NIH is running studies on chelation now.

      FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

      by abbeysbooks on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 12:50:41 PM PDT

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      •  Or maybe a coffee enema. (4+ / 0-)

        Or herbs and weed therapy.  

        Just don't try it too long.  Maybe about two days. :-)  

        A private gyn office offering full gyn services including abortion care to 18 weeks.

        by william f harrison on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:09:56 PM PDT

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        •  I was told by an alternative health practioner (0+ / 0-)

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          that a solution of garlic powder in an enema be used before colon irrigation. A person getting chelation who had Hep C told me that of all the remedies she has tried colon cleansing was the most effective.

          FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

          by abbeysbooks on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:51:50 PM PDT

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        •  "Huh?" (2+ / 0-)

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          Exactly!

          A private gyn office offering full gyn services including abortion care to 18 weeks.

          by william f harrison on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:14:45 PM PDT

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          •  Why are you huhing (0+ / 0-)

            Chelation is widely used for lead poisoning which is the only time the insurance companies will pay for it. It strips the arteries and cleans the blood. I have heard that there are oral chelation procedures also that are just as effective but I have not tried them.

            You sit in a room with other people and a bag with I forget what is in it above you and a needle in your vein in your wrist. It flows into your veins drop by drop, the slower the better. Painless. And while you sit there people tell you their stories. You can add vitamins to the solution and if you put in DSM(I think) that will take care of a recluse spider bite.

            One old lady in her mid 80's was there and she told me that years ago she had been diagnosed with _damn I can't remember which eye disease that leads to blindness- by her opthamologist. She came to Sunderwirth, since retired, in practice in Springfield MO and asked him if it would help. He said he had no idea but they could try it. After 10 sessions ($500) she went back to her eye doctor and he told her she had no trace of her former problem. NIH is now finally running studies. They are doing it in Indianapolis so if you are there get in one for free. It is great maintenance and that is why most people are there. It's sort of like taking blood thinners, you can keep eating fatty crap and not suffer the consequences.

            I have met diabetics that go a lot so as to avoid amputations of the feet and legs. I don't know anything about the effectiveness but there are always plenty of them there.

            FUKUOKA: Part of my purpose is to create a society where no one has to do anything.PARACELSUS:So then, you wormy and lousy Sophist...

            by abbeysbooks on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 01:49:11 PM PDT

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    •  I just think it has too many syllables (1+ / 0-)

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      to catch on as a slogan. But I'm fine with the semantics. I'm trying to figure out how to express it in a way other people will adopt easily.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Wed Aug 22, 2007 at 03:32:24 PM PDT

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