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  •  Always love it when Americans tell other peoples (1+ / 0-)
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    they don't exist.  Well, maybe next time you won't have to invade and destroy that country first in order to gain the "expertise" to claim that country doesn't exist.

    Unbelievable.  And this is the progressive viewpoint?

    As an Iraqi-American academic born and raised in New Orleans, this voter is not pleased.

    by naltikriti on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 10:41:35 AM PDT

    •  Would You Like Some Extra Sanctimony... (0+ / 0-)

      ...with your faux outrage and inability to grasp the point?

      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

      by Dana Houle on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 11:50:45 AM PDT

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      •  Oh, I grasp your point, and my outrage is not (1+ / 0-)
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        in any sense "faux."  This idea that any American can sanctimoniously tell Iraq that it doesn't exist after all that America has done to destroy Iraq since 2003 -- or 1991 for that matter -- is beyond surreal.  

        As an Iraqi-American academic born and raised in New Orleans, this voter is not pleased.

        by naltikriti on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 12:08:50 PM PDT

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      •  Iraqis don't all want division. (1+ / 0-)
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        http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

        According to this BBC story, Iraqis protested a wall built by the US military to separate a Sunni and a Shi'i neighborhood in Baghdad, in order to reduce sectarian violence.  

        So, according to this story, who's guilty of dividing Iraq?:

        1. Those doing the killing (whose identity is unknown)?  
        1. Those building the wall (US military, modeled on the West Bank wall)?  
        1. The Iraqis themselves (those protesting the wall)?

        As an Iraqi-American academic born and raised in New Orleans, this voter is not pleased.

        by naltikriti on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 12:24:38 PM PDT

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        •  Don't Waste Straw, People Need It To Make Bricks (0+ / 0-)

          And you're wasting straw arguing against the position that all Iraqis want division, because it's not what I wrote and it's not implied in what I wrote.  

          And your above post is stupid.  Sorry, it just is.  When the actions of Iraqis--especially the Kurds--indicate that that Iraq as a centralized nation state in any borders close to it's current borders is fading in to the past, whether my country is--as I've fully acknowledged--the catalyst for that dissolution is irrelevant to the accuracy of my claims.  Using your line of reasoning, the perpetrator of a murder is either incapable or disqualified from accurately  ascertaining whether the victim is in fact dead, which is ridiculous, because it discounts numerous possibilities that would allow the perpetrator the ability to know for certain that the victim is indeed dead, such as the murderer being a doctor, or the victim having been decapitated.  And that doesn't even get in to your implication that I, an opponent of the war since it was conceived, have beliefs, experiences and biases identical to those who conceived, prosecuted or supported it, an implication which isn't supported and a position which is ridiculous.  

          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

          by Dana Houle on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 01:53:54 PM PDT

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          •  Logic? (1+ / 0-)
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            Using your line of reasoning, the perpetrator of a murder is either incapable or disqualified from accurately  ascertaining whether the victim is in fact dead, which is ridiculous,

            Using your line of reasoning, the victim of the murder never existed, because the murderer said so.  The contention that you did not support the murder does not take away from the fact that you are now claiming that the victim doesn't -- and in fact never did -- exist.

            As an Iraqi-American academic born and raised in New Orleans, this voter is not pleased.

            by naltikriti on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 02:00:10 PM PDT

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            •  OK, We'll End Now, Because Now You're Just Makin' (0+ / 0-)

              ...shit up, because I very deliberately avoided saying that Iraq never existed, because I don't believe that to be true, either in the obvious sense of a recognized state (which still exists) or in the sense of a state with nationalist legitimacy.  

              The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

              by Dana Houle on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 02:09:52 PM PDT

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              •  That's your bone to Iraqi national identity prior (1+ / 0-)
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                to 2003?

                a country that had no cohesive nationalist identification before Winston Churchill and the British drew it on a map after WWI

                Gee, thanks for small favors.

                As an Iraqi-American academic born and raised in New Orleans, this voter is not pleased.

                by naltikriti on Fri Sep 14, 2007 at 05:39:54 PM PDT

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