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Thank all of you for being involved in this process, no matter which candidate you support. Our democracy's health is directly dependent on an involved and politically active citizenry.
And let's keep in mind that Democratic presidential candidates are never our opposition -- they are our competition. The Publicans are our opposition, and they need a real ass-whuppin' this November. Let's give it to them, together.
No more Republican rule.
by HarveyMilk on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:08:50 PM PDT
she has one of the greatest minds of her generation.
I look forward to a better world with Madame President Hillar Clinton.
by Zain on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:15:17 PM PDT
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by ExStr8 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:32:22 PM PDT
Y did u spel her name rong? ;)
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his/her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The USA for an amount of "up to and including my life." - unknown
by AJsMom on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:41:14 PM PDT
Edwards through South Carolina. he's going to surpise a lot of people there.
"The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08
by TomP on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:15:43 PM PDT
to a much more progressive level. I credit him with leading on health care. So, I salute you and other Edwards supporters.
"Control of the initiative is control of the battle. In the alley, at the poker table or in politics. One must raise." David Mamet
by coral on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:01:41 PM PDT
considering he writes racist hit pieces, he may have more in common with the other Clinton supporters than Edwards people (unreasonable? Think Mr. Shaheen, LC Johnson ad nauseum)
I think Edwards stands for the little guy and for inclusion, there's just something about Clinton that doesn't seem to draw in all groups...
Plus, he knows what crapped out means, which will help him explain his condition on the morning of November 5 - PBCliberal
by Nulwee on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:55:49 PM PDT
why give up so soon? You can support Hillary later, but Edwards has all of the positive attributes you list for Hillary, and if he was your first choice, he still deserves your support.
We're just beginning to vote, after all.
by kate mckinnon on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:56:14 PM PDT
understand the thought process as you have laid it out. If you have been an Edwards supporter for some time you know that this election is more than about the winner and loser. The supporters of Edwards believe in spreading the messages of the Senator far and wide. If you feel like that is beneath you and need to support an eventual winner, you made the right decision. Respectfully, I think it stinks.
Leading the crusade to get Kossacks who think they sound smart to use another word besides vitriol.
by Ocean Stater on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:16:02 PM PDT
She's not mine, but good for you. I'm still firmly behind NFC.
blind idealism is pure folly when you are standing on a precipice ~edrie
by Marcus Tullius on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:16:42 PM PDT
following behind it/him/her. I think that the NFC candidate will go far.
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by kredwyn on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:25:20 PM PDT
Yeah, if you're a Packer fan, you'd never jump sides just to root for New England 'cause you think they're gonna win. (My picks-wish for the SuperBowl)
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking 'til you suck seed."--Curly Howard
by JackAshe on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:40:21 PM PDT
No Fuckin' Clue.
by kredwyn on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:41:16 PM PDT
A very valid analysis of the electoral prospects of Clinton and Obama. I also want a candidate that has been thorougly attacked by the right wing and is still standing: Clinton. She's more than motivated to take it right back to them after 16 years of their hostility.
Hillary '08.
by Athena on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:31:49 PM PDT
after being attacked by the misosgynists of the MSM with some of the bitterest and most hostile anti-female rhetoric I've heard in a very long time.
I'm in awe, especially after the come-from-behind victory in NH. Grit and endurance -- that's what we need, not only in a candidate, but in a president.
The Republican hate-machine will be active, no matter how the vote goes in November 2008. We're going to need a fighter in the White House on Day One, and every day after that. She's proved she's up to the task and the battle.
by coral on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:07:10 PM PDT
by Fools on the Hill on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:27:51 PM PDT
HR 676 is the best health reform proposal worth my vote.
by kck on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:45:12 PM PDT
"Most women have no idea how much men hate them."--Germaine Greer
by Diana in NoVa on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:40:58 PM PDT
Although if one or the other is clearly winning on Feb. 5 I'll vote Edwards.
by catfish on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:17:08 PM PDT
My signature will tell you how I've felt for the last year.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person
by NewHampster on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:44:56 PM PDT
Thanks. I agree with your assessment of the candidates.
Clinton is a great Democrat and I believe she can deliver the change in government that so many of us yearn for and some populist policies that will help the day-to-day lives and earning power of the poor and the middle class. And I admire her endurance, her toughness, her courage, and her heart.
by coral on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:52:21 PM PDT
John McCain says he'd be happy to see our troops in Iraq for another hundred years. I just can't agree with that.
by Barry in MIA on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:56:48 PM PDT
And if you see her... Tell her it's over now!
by Vincenzo Giambatista on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:59:16 PM PDT
asshole...
by Partially Impartial on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:14:48 PM PDT
This must be one of those shake-ups they've been talking about.
by Vincenzo Giambatista on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:18:23 PM PDT
Who in Clinton's "camp" are you calling racist?
by Partially Impartial on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:21:09 PM PDT
I haven't been following the news much today. Is there some reason I might call someone in the Clinton camp racist?
by Vincenzo Giambatista on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:23:41 PM PDT
..... with you opinion of Hillary, not your choice of her necessarily.
Yes, she (among many others) made a monumental mistake voting for the Iraq War Resolution. She has, however, voted against additional no-strings funding, and has promised to begin withdrawing our troops if she becomes President.
I actually don't believe that for one second. Why? When popular opinion was for the war, Clinton authorized it. Now that popular opinion is against it, she strongly favors withdrawal. Is there ANY evidence that she bucked poular opinion? What happens when popular approval goes up because of some transient successes?
HRC is experienced. She really is "Ready to Lead" from day one. She has a 35-year career. She is a sitting, two-term Senator from the State of New York, where she draws support not just from the Democratic bastion of NYC, but usually conservative upstate NY as well.
Hillary Clinton and her husband have to be the most thoroughly vetted politicians in the history of the Republic. There is nothing - n-o-t-h-i-n-g - that hasn't been been drug out into the light of day about the Clintons. All the smears have been smeared. All the dust has been busted. All the dirty laundry rummaged through. All the closets snooped. It is finished. And Hillary is still standing. Not only is she vetted, she's unbelievably freakin' tough.
Word.
Recently, a close friend said, "Hillary Clinton would be a good president, but Barack Obama might be a great president." My friend might be right. But again, Obama hasn't been vetted, and has never really played hard ball campaign politics at a level higher than the State Legislature. I cannot risk this vote on what might be, not when our country is in such dire straits. Not when we have lost so narrowly in the last two election cycles. I have to go with a known, tough, experienced, competent candidate. And that candidate is Hillary Clinton. I know she would be a very good President. She might even be a great one.
I kind of buy this. If you're terrified about losing in 2008, she is the safest best. I can't disagree with this. I also think she's the safest bet to NOT win in a landslide. Still I like diaries that are more than mundane diatribes. Rec'd!
Finally (and thanks if you've labored through my ramblings this far), I am incredibly excited at the very, very real possibility of seeing either the first woman president, or the first African-American president. I never thought I'd live to see the day. The lesson there, IMO, is never, ever give up on this country.
I wish I shared your optimism. Hillary lacks the persona to go over the head of establishment and get PEOPLE to pressure their lawmakers. Her success is predicated on winning an insiders' game. Obama and Edwards have the appeal necessary to get the American people involved in the process and pressure the establishment. Change can come through both routes. For the first time in a long time, I'm leaning to trusting the people-route.
Obama/Gore '08
by crazymoloch on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:04:55 PM PDT
Hillary is the only candidate with a path to 270 EVs. She is competitive in every region in the country and would be able to duplicate her husband's electoral map. She would likely exceed 300 EVs and could win as many as 360 EVs.
I am doubtful that Obama could win a single state in the South. There has been nothing from polling data or recent voting patterns to suggest that southern voters would be any kinder to an African-American candidate for statewide or Federal office than they have thus far,
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by khyber900 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:24:35 PM PDT
I would never make the argument that Obama could win in the South, but I think he could pick off CO, NM, NV, AZ and maybe even MO or AR.
SHOW ME WHAT SOUTHERN STATE HILLARY WINS? I'D LOVE TO KNOW!
by crazymoloch on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:33:16 PM PDT
I actually don't believe that for one second. Why? When popular opinion was for the war, Clinton authorized it. Now that popular opinion is against it, she strongly favors withdrawal. Is there ANY evidence that she bucked poular opinion?
Because in my mind, this indicates she has listened to her constituency, which you'd want any politician to do. We don't elect them to go up there and do whatever they want. We elect them to do our will. Yes, I agree the authorization was a bad choice, one for which I wish she'd apologize, but I also won't hold it against her too much, since I recall so well the climate of the times.
Women's History Month: The 19th Amendment
by belly on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:47:45 PM PDT
kind of, yes - we elect them to act as we think our best, smartest selves would act if we were in government full time and had access to the same kind of evidence; we elect them to lead, and sometimes that should mean acting in a way that will actually appear more rather than less understandable several years down the road.
Clinton bowed to the same set of pressures when she voted in favor of Kyl-Lieberman several months ago as she did when she voted to authorize force in Iraq. Both were wretched decisions.
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by scardanelli on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:04:02 PM PDT
I want someone who will lead crowds, not be led by the crowds. By your logic I should be very afraid of what President Hillary would do after a terrorist attack whips people into a bombing frenzy. Seriously, I vote for people to have better judgment than the moron next door.
This is truly the scariest rationalization for Clinton's vote that I've ever heard. It justifies bending to ugliest majoritarian sentiments. If you folks are voting for her because you can live with that rationalization, I'll find another party to vote for.
by crazymoloch on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:12:49 PM PDT
Your knee jerk left you without any opportunity to explore what I meant, because it isn't some capitulation to majority mobbing, per your suggestion. All you had to do was ask a question; instead you chose to jump the shark.
by belly on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 07:04:14 AM PDT
... the kind of reply that you might feel comfortable engaging in.
I still don't see how you 'don't hold it against her too much'. With casualties in the hundreds of thousands (Iraqis), its kind of inexcusable.
by crazymoloch on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 01:19:33 PM PDT
I salute you, brother!
Save your tears for the living
by immanentize on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:19:24 PM PDT
You said:
His race for Senate was against Alan Keyes. I'm pretty sure anyone with a "D" after their name would have made quick work of Mr. Keyes.
I know this may be nitpicking but... his Senate race was actually against Jack Ryan who withdrew after his divorce papers revealed his penchant for sex in public places. Keyes was a last minute replacement thrown up by the IL GOP to fill the ballot. Why Keyes, you might ask... Well, because Obama had already built up a pretty healthy lead over Ryan before his withdrawal and the only person willing to take a public thrashing in exchange for seeing his name on another ballot was Keyes. The truth is, Obama had run a pretty impressive campaign up to the point of Ryan's withdrawal.
I'm just saying...
"Two lines for Obama, people, two lines for Obama. McClain's over there."
by kissfan on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:26:49 PM PDT
see Mr. 7 of 9 withdraw, his odd . . . habits aside.
by DrJeremy on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 10:31:25 PM PDT
anymore?
by Yoshimi on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:44:01 PM PDT
Don't you read the comments? (snark)
by Barry in MIA on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:59:19 PM PDT
But you have an opinion nonetheless. I know Predictor is not wavering from John Edwards.
by benny05 on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:45:07 PM PDT
You're not falling in love, or picking your dream date, but selecting a president. Your calm even handed approach means you won't be disappointed in the inevitable compromises, back tracking and shortcomings that are governance, AND you'll be an independent enough supporter to smack her over the head when it's deserved. Congrats!
by Barry in MIA on Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 07:55:56 PM PDT
wide narrow
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