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is, I think that's kind of sad. Not necessarily inaccurate, but still sad.
Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel
by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 03:52:23 PM PDT
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...it's "at it's best" because "community" on its own doesn't elect Democrats. Some of the things we like best about Dkos may in fact be the most useless things about it. It's fun, it's informative, it's a lot of things that don't by themselves do a damn thing to change the country.
The warm fuzzy parts of Dkos are, almost by definition, insulated from the country and processes we want to change.
The utilitarian parts are the best parts because they're actionable. They accomplish something outside the user base.
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by Addison on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 04:01:06 PM PDT
had nothing to do with "the warm and fuzzy parts", as you are calling them. I was talking about the intellectual resources and political assests of hope and change and sustainability that were, ironically, in much greater stock before the place became explicitly a site for dem organizing and fundraising and thus looked started focusing on purveyors of hope/change rhetoric "out there". There was a lot more of what people now say they are looking for in (and for) the Democratic Party at work here in dKos, before the place turned that into its mission. Its odd that in the very act of doing that, trying to build on the strength and resources the place had to bring that to Dem Party politics, if you will, it sort of killed it here. There was a potential this place had before it became what it now is (not unusual, that's the case with everything). The loss of that saddens me, even as I recognize it is simply part of the process.
While I could go back and forth with you for hours on your assertions about the utilitarian parts (as well as your rather limited vision of what's utilitarian), there's no point to that anymore. Your assertions illustrate a fait accompli that is, for me, sad. The place isn't "becoming" anymore, and so lots of types of energy are no more. It now "is" and for me, that's the sadness I was referring to, not a sadness per se of what that "is" actually is (i.e. I'm not referring to being sad about the content of what it is now), but that the possibilities of potential that did once dance across so much else that was also here and that did fuel a resource that's both utilitarian and intangible at the same time, have been harnessed and tamed and thus transformed. That some of that was never fully recognized and valued, but allowed to slip away is something of a missed opportunity.
by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 04:24:11 PM PDT
and I hope that it moves back somwhat in the direction you and I both miss.
Lobbyists are just the piano players in the whorehouse; you could abolish them and the girls upstairs would still be doing business.--al Fubar -6.50 -5.69
by Dvd Avins on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 04:45:57 PM PDT
Well, all I can say is that 3 or 4 years ago I thought the best parts of Dkos were same exact things I do now. Cash and organization. Cash to fund candidates with a progressive voice. Organization to collectively fight against the right.
And just because I think something represents Dkos at its best doesn't mean I think the other parts aren't valuable. I think you're really going at my response without thinking about how it might just be the MAIN thing I like and not the ONLY thing, and I can't understand why you're interested in doing that.
I did like Dailykos better, however, when there were long discussions about issues -- I remember abortion rights, role of religion in politics, and others -- and issues in the abstract, divorced from candidates.
That's pretty much toast these days.
by Addison on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 04:52:47 PM PDT
my comment wasn't really about you (badly written on my part, sorry). I think what saddened me the most is to see a perception of what the place is put down in such concise, concrete and utilitarian terms. It was that particular jolt, a jolt that was heightened when I realized how in so many ways your assessment was right on the money (pun intended). That's where the sadness came in, more than anything. It makes me sad that the first thing (and most highly valued thing) that comes to mind is the fundraising. That's personal with me, and has nothing to do with you, I should have made that clearer. My apologies for that.
by a gilas girl on Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 05:56:53 PM PDT
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