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...if this is what it means to go 'back to the nineties', I'd rather try a candidate with a 21st-century approach. I'm tired of this 'divide, then conquer, then pray for blue state'-way of campaigning.
a gallon of blood for a gallon of oil!
by haruki on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 08:39:06 PM PDT
I expect race-baiting from Republicans. Divide and conquer has always been their game. It is truly despicable from a Democratic campaign.
by Bob Johnson on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 08:40:42 PM PDT
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It is even more despicable as she is the one that was unfairly attacked for all her years as a first lady.
She was on the blunt end of their unfair attacks for far too long.
She could have said "I will not campaign like they do"
She could have said "I will raise above the politics of fear and hate". But here we are.
"Steve Holt is now iSteve Holt 3G." - Steve Holt
by cookiesandmilk on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 08:44:09 PM PDT
Out of the night that covers me, Black as the Pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
by Descrates on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 08:46:13 PM PDT
May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care.
by Fonsia on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 11:26:21 PM PDT
has revealed how too much alike Democrats and Republicans have become. I mean...this Congress we won in 2006..does anyone really feel like they are on our side? What have they been doing again to reverse anything Bush has done, or seek out accountability of the myriad laws broken? Any defunding of the war, any filibustering of any note?
Obviously we have our patriots in Congress, too few to make a dent sadly, and the philosophy of the Democratic party is clearly the better one..however, not enough Democrats are actually living this policy for me..it's all politics, winning, power, money...and all the same lobbyists and corporations dabbling their hand in each party, some more than others..but plenty to go around between each.
Clearly it's influencing everything today.
by Dazy on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 09:06:48 PM PDT
It's not how much like the Republicans WE HAVE BECOME. We are changing away from that. It's what the Clinton faction of the Democratic Party is.
And they aren't like the Republicans in one other big way. The Republicans actually stand for something other than just winning. They have a philosophy, as twisted and bent and eclectic as it is, and they actually catch some shit from their base when they stray from it.
But there is no center to the Clintons at all, nothing they represent other than their own success, their own harkening back to the "success" of the nineties, their appeal to our own anger about their mistreatment at the hands of Republicans.
Meanwhile, I keep trying to ask this: Where are the diaries about Iraq? A few months ago, every other diary here was about IRaq. It's not anymore. Why is that?
Because the subject has basically become too factionally divisive in our party to be addressed frankly anymore. If you're against the war, you're against the Clintons. There has been a massive and VERY successful spin of this election cycle away from the single issue that has dominated polls for years now as the single most pressing issue of the electorate: THE FUCKING WAR.
No. Instead we are debating about candidates and their messaging and their campaign tactics and their tears and their gaffes, and all this bullshit. It has worked effectively to the benefit of those candidates who have worked hard to avoid the issue that is driving the rest of us mad.
by Dumbo on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 09:21:18 PM PDT
is mostly the faction of the Clinton Democrats?
Because I'm judging by today's Democrats in Congress..those not even running for President..and I see a whole lot of the same money/corruption/complicity thing going on with them as the Republicans, again, with the stellar few that actually try, against their own party sadly even, to stand for the Constitution and seek accountability for the people and for justice.
We the people may be changing away from what Republicans are like..but They The Democratic Congress, not so much...
by Dazy on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 09:56:25 PM PDT
difference is a Democratic president. Congress would seem pretty well on our side if there currently was one. it makes all the difference, that veto power, since the at times very misguided leadership of Congress has refused to force the Republicans' hands.
John McCain will ban abortion.
by itsbenj on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 11:25:19 PM PDT
Iraq is by far number one issue for me. It has screwed up our military,our economy,our international reputation,our national security...it has fucked us up so bad, and there is even a damn debate about nominating the only remaining contender that did not support this war from the beginning?
This holding action that has resulted in more US deaths this month per day than the last two months will not hold forever. And once it flares up, you can be a new timetable and strategy will emerge. 100 year war,my ass.
by Hawkjt on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 09:59:49 PM PDT
The reason any imbecile could have predicted the disaster this would become can be summed up thusly: "It's the fucking Middle East, Stupid!"
Sixty years Israel has been fighting. And they can't go home! They are home now! We hear brief lulls in the fighting, and then it flares up again. New children are born only to carry on the battle. The very thought that we could go in and in a few months transform Iraq into a western-style, western-friendly, America-friendly, Israel-friendly democracy was laughable. But what can you expect, when the Clintons rely on militant think-tank people like Michael O'Hanlon (on her official campaign advisor list) or Michael Pollack for their foreign policy advice?
Things will very shortly turn bad again, as they always do, and people like Tom Foreman on CNN will go, "Oh, I guess things really aren't improving!"
And we may well find ourselves in the unpleasant situation of having a candidate, Hillary Clinton, who has been pro-war from the start, campaigning against a Republican who is a new face, with no long history of support for the Iraq war and plenty of room to obfuscate and blame today's disaster on the Democrats that signed up and went along with it.
Really, if this November turns into a referendum on who can best manage a bad (and getting worse) situation in Iraq, the establishment face will lose to the non-establishment face. It would be a miraculous piece of Judo, but the Republicans may turn out to be the non-establishment candidate this year! We may spend the last half of this year all trying to explain away why Hillary was for the war before she was against it before she was for it again.
by Dumbo on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 10:25:54 PM PDT
Hillary has become a Neocon tool. The Neocon Special Interests/Corporate media doesn't want the public to pay attention to the Iraq war or notice all the lies they have reported to promote war with Iran, so this is all a diversion, which hurts Hillary as much as it hurts Obama.
She has made a strategic mistake playing into their hands. They care as much about her as they care about an innocent Iranian child, whose life may be obliterated by the cluster bombs they are salivating to drop on the kid's schoolyard in their goal to turn Iran into Iraq and Lebanon, a smoldering pile of rubble.
Hillary, if you are still in there, pour some salt on the leeches that are attached to you and regain your former self, before there is nothing left of you. Don't let the warmongers win!
Not only has Hillary allowed them to sully her reputation among her former supporters and cheerleaders, like me, but she is continuing Murdoch's hateful obliteration of her husband's legacy as well.
Reality check to Hillary: Murdoch/FOX News did everything in his power to impeach your husband and ruin his reputation. He did everything in his power to elect Bush. He did everything in his power to promote and continue the Iraq War, and now he is doing everything in his power to start a needless and heedless war in Iran. He is not a nice guy, and he is not to be trusted. He is not your friend. He is not America's friend. He would like nothing better than to see you be his tool to destroy the Democratic Party from the inside out. Don't listen to his minions. Listen to your conscience, the one that gave you the guts to lead the charge against the powerful Health care industry, which trashed you, and is leading you astray now that We the People realize that what you did was right. Use the FORCE of good that once guided you, don't give in to hate.
Information is the currency of democracy. ~ T.J.
by CIndyCasella on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:10:26 AM PDT
I read somewhere that the Clinton's campaign needed to go negative on Obama. The Clinton's may have one hell of a machine, but it is one full of stinking rot.
by ZinZen on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 10:10:30 PM PDT
by Fonsia on Sun Jan 13, 2008 at 11:28:26 PM PDT
wide narrow
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