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We know you're in the bag for Kucinich. I'll be looking for your contribution on his next FEC report, because I know you think Hillary stole the NH election.
The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.
by DHinMI on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:20:07 AM PDT
[ Parent ]
is looking to fill that FCC post with "a name." More later.
Peters for Congress (MI-09)
by GOTV on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:22:47 AM PDT
This place used to be reality based but now it's primary season and sanity has gone with the wind.
We will read things into every tea leaf and every Olbermann comment.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:27:31 AM PDT
I don't think it's such a bad thing as so many think. I think the candidate wars are a natural extension of the groups of passionate people we have here that see the high stakes of right now, and are fighting for what we think is the best course to the future.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
by Aethern on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:29:44 AM PDT
I hope I'm linking this right
Tip jar is here
Follow the link and let's make him a trusted user :-D
RIP 4th Amendment. June 20, 2008
by musicsleuth on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:45:23 AM PDT
I may never find my way back and the page is definitely getting difficult to load. I'll tip it when I get there. But thank you musicsleuth.
Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse. ~ Lily Tomlin
by vigilant meerkat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:54:54 AM PDT
to open a new window! Then I didn't lose a danged thing.
You know, I would have expected that if Keith really showed up on our site, that his comments would have had much bigger lapels.
John McCain: on fire, reversed, stopped.
The Music Room.
by madhaus on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:57:53 AM PDT
It's part of his charm. I will have to download firefox one of these days.
by vigilant meerkat on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:19:37 AM PDT
Big lapels = big ...
Couldn't resist.
And highly recommend Firefox, no matter what kind of computer you are driving.
Misled Into War: A Timeline/DowningStreetMemo.com
by highacidity on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:11:42 PM PDT
please at least mention my candidate. Thanks!
If we want peace, why do we give weapons and call it "aid"?
by gdwtch52 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:25:34 PM PDT
by highacidity on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:35:22 PM PDT
don't be such a stranger in the future.
by extratime40 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:17:38 PM PDT
Saves precious RAM resources by not opening another instance of the browser.
The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier
by N in Seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:27:19 AM PDT
But, what does using FF have to do with ability to open a new window/tab, or being able to get back to where you were on a certain page?
Again, sorry to sound technical, but I just couldn't resist responding to this incarnation of the "use xyz browser" FUD. If you are going to discuss things technical, at least do so on merits, not just as a mind-numbling recitation of some baseless OS/Browser-war propaganda
Compulsively Combative
by akogun on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:18:40 PM PDT
had tabs before IE, Mozilla the predecessor to Firefox had tabs before IE. Firefox works the same across all platforms, IE, not so much. Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera all render html properly following the standards, IE, not so much. You support open source when you use Firefox, you support Microsoft by using IE. Firefox is also more secure than IE. www.switch2firefox.com/whyswitch/
by pgm 01 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:01:01 PM PDT
window.
It's the constitution, stupid
by CTMET on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:36:55 PM PDT
Actually, neither Microsoft nor "open source" will ever know which browser you're using, except perhaps in the abstract. People should use whatever browser they like best, instead of blindly following some true believer on a crusade.
And I always use Firefox unless forced to do otherwise.
Darcy Burner needs you... now more than ever.
by phenry on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:37:01 PM PDT
Thought there was a sound technical reason for the recommendation.
I don't get into browser/OS jihad. I take technical discussions too seriously to do that.
by akogun on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:41:52 PM PDT
... had tabs before IE. That goes for other features too.
And just ask anyone who builds websites about IE and standards... they make us tear our hair out all the time. You have no idea how much hair we have to grow to make up for that.
No reference to OS or platforms here... IE sucked when it was made for the Mac too. It was an equal opportunity sucker. But now only poor Windows users are able to "enjoy" the experience...
Signed, another almost hairless website builder person
=====
Now back to this great diary that has put such a big smile on my face ;-)
by highacidity on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:08:09 PM PDT
You thought the primary wars were savage around here? Try promoting a specific browser or an OS!
WE are the insurgents in occupied America.
by jazzmaniac on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:02:19 PM PDT
You got that right!
Let's show him the Cat (pootie) vs. Dog wars! That is when the claws really come out!
(pun intended... heh)
by highacidity on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 06:27:20 PM PDT
and open a new tab in Safari, so there...
"Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher
by Cali Scribe on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:51:46 PM PDT
Daily Kos used to be worthwhile.
by andgarden on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:02:02 PM PDT
clk open in new window. Just saying.
Looking for Good Reason
by Clzwld on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:03:58 PM PDT
by mickey on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:24:58 PM PDT
but I guess the mojo won't hurt him ;-)
hinc illae lacrimae
by coffeeinamrica on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:57:45 PM PDT
Will we ever hear from Obama again, for example? Doubt it. Some acted like starved wolves after fresh meat.
I haven't made up my mind and the IL primary is in 2 weeks. The blood letting around here mystifies me when the real enemy sleeps in the White House.
Hope you're not afraid to come back again, Keith!
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who....never learned how to walk forward.-FDR
by vassmer on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:24:50 PM PDT
the real enemy sleeps in the White House
by coffeeinamrica on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:00:48 PM PDT
these candidate wars are not fact based - they are on purpose twisting and spinning every little word so that the meaning has nothing to do with what was said - or what was meant.
It is turning people off - and Keith is right - we here at DailyKos have started to sound like O'Reilly.
Might be time to grow up - and have a reality check.
Thank you - Keith.
"Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"
by sara seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:13:18 AM PDT
Because Bob Johnson (the BET founder, not the Kossack) didn't make a backhanded swipe at Obama's past drug use at and official Clinton event with Hillary right there, and the Clinton campaign didn't send out an official email with a denial so weak as to be absolutely laughable, and this all didn't happen on the same day as her appearance on MTP where she tried to pretend like she was taking the high road.
The fairy tale quote was absolutely taken out of context, and there is something to those who argue her MLK quote was misinterpreted. Granted on those two points. But to say that there are no facts being brought up is to blind yourself, or to assume that we are too blind to see so pretty ugly campaign tactics.
by Aethern on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:25:11 AM PDT
I shouldn't have brought that in here... but damn, some of us are really infuriated...
by Aethern on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:35 AM PDT
how I feel about the Clintons.
by ccr4nine on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:14:35 AM PDT
When Bush was running - we here at Kos brought up his drug use -- so now with Obama why is it all of a sudden forbidden to mention?
Let us all agree that how these things are handled now will have a lot to do with how it will be when the democratic nominee will go against the gop nominee.
The Obama camp is not winning by pretending that talking about drugs is a bad thing - they should instead have taken Clinton on about the problems with drug use --
by this - say no to talking about it -- we end up looking like the GOP - because god forbid if sex or gays or race etc is discussed - we will all perish.
Like Keith says -- hello O'Reilly
by sara seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:36:21 AM PDT
It's not. But when something like the Bob Johnson quote happens, and then the Clinton campaign tries to assert that it wasn't an attack on Obama's past drug use, it's condescending and insulting. If the Clinton's want to go there, then they should do so, and not hide behind their surrogates to do the dirty work while they plead for more high minded politics on MTP.
by Aethern on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:17:17 AM PDT
but that is of course not what is happening on either side.
To me it is a pox on both their houses.
by sara seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:32:52 AM PDT
to talk about his oratory and leadership abilities or about what some asshole that nobody has heard of said about him?
Just sayin'
All behold the tamed Maverick, at his master's feet.
by coigue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:40:43 AM PDT
talk about what you want to, but with comments like that about the founder of BET, the first self-made African American Billionaire and founder/part owner of the Charlotte Bobcats, you announce the fact that you've recently crawled out from under a rock. You might not know who Bob Johnson is, but to say that he's "some asshole that nobody has heard of," is just plain ignorant. So stupid, in fact, your credibility has just been sucked into the void.
Good luck talking about Obama's oratory. Just what I want in a president - someone who talks a pretty game.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
by The Southern Dem on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:10:28 AM PDT
that Bob Johnson (the entrepreneur) is some asshole no one has ever heard of. The truth is that Bob Johnson is an asshole everybody knows about.
by ccr4nine on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:17:19 AM PDT
is at the top of this thread forcing the labeling of every deragotory reference to the other Bob Johnson. Its just funny for some reason.
"She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984
by aggressiveprogressive on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:05:46 PM PDT
if you think that all educated people know who owns every cable station there is.
Puh-lease. I can name very few CEOs...it's not my area of interest.
by coigue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:42:42 AM PDT
Reading comprehension is a pretty critical skill on this site.
I simply contradicted your assertion that nobody knows who he is. I have no idea whether he's an asshole. I don't know the man, but I have heard of him. Just because you aren't interested in knowing who the power brokers of the world are doesn't mean that others aren't familiar with them and the power they wield.
by The Southern Dem on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:25:57 PM PDT
and you said I lost all credibility because I stated that most people don't know who he is.
He is an asshole, btw, because of what he said. And I would gather that very few people knew who he was before he said it.
I have to say, that although it's a low blow, it's not racist....more of a personal attack. (All the potheads I know are white males)
by coigue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:43:57 PM PDT
Reading comprehension is a skill many Kossians appear to lack, judging by a lot of the commentary that follows many diaries.
don't always believe what you think...
by claude on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:42:52 PM PDT
I used to be pro-drug in my youth. In other words, I liked someone better if, like me, they did drugs. Now I'm neutral about drugs. But Senator Obama's youthful drug use is nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, it's something to be proud of. It shows that he hasn't always done everything he's told, that he thinks for himself, and that in spite of not being a kiss ass in high school, he had it in him to make it to president of the Harvard Law Review.
Taking drugs is in no way sociopathic. What is sociopathic is doing what it takes to become a billionare. Even more sociopathic is unleashing "entertainment television" on our society, not matter which color it's designed to appeal to.
So I think Senator Obama should just shrug off stupid allusions to his drug use. Who cares anyway? And most people wouldn't even have caught the nuance in the sociopathic billionaire's rant if Senator Obama's campaign hadn't pointed them out from the roof tops.
This "mom, he hit me first shit" is getting really tiresome, from both campaigns.
Instead of bringing people's attention to stupid shit in a billionaire's rant, it would be much more impressive if Senator Obama began right now to implement his bi-partisan approach to getting progressive legislation through Congress and signed by the president.
Frankly, I don't see how he can do it, but Senator Obama has my vote if he can convince me he'll get progressive legislation through Congress, especially if he manages to get Republicans to vote for it. And the way to convince us all of how awesome he is is if he actually, you know, did some of what he's talking about.
We need the war to end -- preferably on a bi-partisan basis -- right now, not in January of 2009. We need to remove the cap on the social security tax so we can fix Medicare and we would all be very impressed if Senator Obama would get that through the Senate on a bi-partisan basis, like now. And with a recession probably already here, it may only Senator Obama who has the ability to get his $250 tax credit through the Senate on a bi-partisan basis.
This kind of leadership would impress the hell out of me. Whining about someone implying you are, like me, a DFH, not so much.
This aggression will not stand, man.
by kaleidescope on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:21:43 AM PDT
Who cares anyway?
Nobody cared about Bush's cocaine use, after all.
If it was Obama's campaign that made a big deal about it, perhaps they think they can get big gains from exposing racism. I actually don't think it will work the same as the expose' of sexism against the Clinton camps. Why? Because most people already accept that severe racism exists. Young women don't realize how much sexism exists.
by coigue on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:40:48 AM PDT
and if you find out who troll rated you, ill beat em up
by NY Writer on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:00:32 AM PDT
but this is what was the recommended way to TR (this from an Obama supporter)- and let me quote this "kossack" - unfortunately this is what this proud site has sunk to.
qte:
Well, hell, there's a mechanism to deal with this
B------ is an astroturfer, tantamount in the opinion of some, as evidenced by a few troll ratings here, to a troll, you say? Well, all you have to do is get organized.
Just draw B------- into a protracted thread in an obscure position where not a lot of of his or her fellow travelers (i.e. Hillary supporters) are around to mod him or her up. Then, with the help of a few like-minded moderators, nail him or her with troll ratings all at once -- being careful to spread them out across comments and do it fast so there's no time for counter-moderation before autoban kicks in. For a target like B-------, I think you could pull this off, with email coordination, with as few as ten to fifteen moderators. You'd need to to get him or her to post about twenty to twenty-five comments with very little positive moderation and hit them all at once, though.
The autoban feature was designed for just this kind of thing, I'm sure. You just need to get fired up and ready to go. unquote
by sara seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:19:34 AM PDT
on the site, I think you should link to it, so everybody can be aware of who is doing this, and also send it to admin.
Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.
by emmasnacker on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:04:22 PM PDT
but I think that the Obama people should be the ones to clean up their own "messes",
It does reflect on them - and the person that wrote this comment is well known to them.
and what happened with my TRs was exactly as described in his comment. I think at one time I had 25 TRs.
And this is the first time since before the primaries in 2004 when I started at Kos - that I have been troll rated.
Can we disagree on issues - sure - but be prepared to be ganged up on by the Obama's (and no that is not a racial slang)
by sara seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:14:21 PM PDT
doing the ganging up, admin should be directed to the post. I have yet to see any of the factions clean up after themselves.
by emmasnacker on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:20:35 PM PDT
If people abused the system in this way, they should be reported; other supporters of the same candidate have no power to police tens of thousands of like-minded users who might go too far, but the admins do.
I'm sick of the partisans on this site, those in all camps. I prefer Edwards, might end up voting for Obama in the primary, will end up voting for the Dem nominee in the general. People like this (and all three camps have way too many of them) make me sick.
by Joe Buck on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:43:25 PM PDT
it would implicate also those 25 people or so that TR'd me.
I have no real proof that they were following this person lead.
by sara seattle on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 03:08:20 PM PDT
right?
Here's the link: http://www.dailykos.com/...
I don't have a comment on that person's advice, but it's certainly understandable why an individual would want to see someone who so often abuses the site rules banned from the site.
There is no question about it. Berkeley Vox repeatedly, if not daily, abuses the site's rules. Such comments as you pointed out would probably never ever been even considered as a thoughtlet were the rules enforced -- as they are selectively with some people and not others.
----- _The Flow of FISA: video clips | GroundZero
by rhfactor on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:22:50 PM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/...
by rhfactor on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:26:00 PM PDT
by rhfactor on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:17:06 PM PDT
A quick perusal of Daily Kos diaries makes me think we are beginning to eat our own. The enemy here are the Republcans not Clinton, Obama or Edwards et al. Our worst candidate, no matter who you think that is, is better than their best. Let's tone down the rhetoric and work together to ensure we never see a Bush like Administration again.
No being has inherent power, only the illusion of power granted by others who similarly have none.
by Mark701 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:36:10 AM PDT
it's hurting dailyKos and it's hurting the Democratic party
Now up: Daily Kos University
by plf515 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:36:18 AM PDT
Hi Keith!!
by Kdoug on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:31:12 AM PDT
Read or *listen to* my SF novel for free. (-7.13/-7.33)
by Shadan7 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:35:41 AM PDT
Ahh... sexism rears its ugly head.
Show of hands... who would join Kucinich's effort to impeach VP Cheney?
by Mogolori on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:44:44 AM PDT
I think we needed the spanking Keith just gave us, but was the B.O. comparison necessary? I'm going to my room to cry. I'll be back after we've all returned to our senses.
by MagisterLudi on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:53:10 AM PDT
No need for me to milk this any further...
by Mogolori on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:29:38 AM PDT
by MagisterLudi on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:33:27 AM PDT
McCain '08: Same crap, different asshole. -- Hunter
by snazzzybird on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:02:32 AM PDT
We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.
by Lepanto on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:06:12 AM PDT
(Bovine Trans Gender, of course)
I have always resented that the artist should be relegated by the politician to a place with no voice in political or human affairs. -- Errol Flynn
by Mlle Orignalmale on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:08:20 PM PDT
hhhhaahahahah
donate to a shelter box please http://www.shelterboxusa.org/
by TexMex on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:52:35 PM PDT
...but that thing dangling under a bull isn't its udder.
"The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation." - Pierre Trudeau
by fishhead on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 05:58:50 PM PDT
So we can digest more candidate dairy...
ba-dum bump
by Mlle Orignalmale on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:07:01 PM PDT
before somebody puts me out of my misery? Sorry--much too much caffeine, much too recently. Will try to restrain myself now.
by Mlle Orignalmale on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:10:26 PM PDT
about "siding" with one candidate or another completely absurd. He's reporting on what's happening for pete's sake.
I mean, how many diaries have we had praising him on a Special Comment? When (before the candidate wars), did we ever criticize him? I can't recall a single time.
Then all hell breaks loose, and he's spoken of (in many cases) in not-so-nice terms. I just didn't/don't understand that.
A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by Terre on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:47:46 AM PDT
And no one can tell me I'm wrong because I just know. Honest. Really.
You are a child of the universe; no less than the trees and the stars... Desiderata
by byteb on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:03:52 AM PDT
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.
by wishingwell on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:09:36 AM PDT
"This is not our America and we need to take it back." John Edwards.
by mcmom on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:04:21 AM PDT
...Guiliani was delighted by the Giants making it to the NFC Championship, said the points spread should be 9-11.
I am perplexed.
by rghojai on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:20:55 AM PDT
hahaha! Naw, now--this is really code about how the Jets are the only TRUE Dems in the race, but the Giants are only popular now because the Media Loves Them More! PS Bill Belichick sucks
Jesus, I go away for a half-a-day, and just look what the hell I missed! Welcome, KO--'bout time you got here.
On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place
by o the umanity on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 07:23:23 PM PDT
... can be just as strong here as on the other side, I'm afraid. It's disconcerting, given what we've lived with for the last eight years.
It's always sad to realize that not everyone on "your side" is a model of rationality and critical thinking, and that some can display all the irrationalities and behavior that we condemn in the "other side."
In this case: unrealistic, blind idealization; hyper-defensiveness and need to feel victimized; black-and-white, "with us or against us" thinking ("Keith used to be good, but since he criticized my candidate, now he is EVIL!"); and simplistic dismissal of any valid criticism as motivated by "Irrational [Candidate X] Hatred."
by niemann on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:06:51 AM PDT
The fact is that when any Democrat is finally our nominee we will all be able to rally behind him/her. I look forward to some real debates with whatever nucklehead they (rethugs) put up, and hope beyond hope that it raises the issues.
With the fucking behaviour of this past president up for grabs it should be a slaughter. It's just too bad that we have to vote against bush to get one of our own elected. I hope we take the Senate, the House, and send all these conservative, Bible-thumping, neo-moron idiots back where they came from.
And crush the stranglehold that corpo america has on the people. And get universal healthcare. And get out of Iraq. Fix the economy. And call all the criminals in the Bush Admin on their crimes.
The list goes on for quite a bit.
Fat chance, eh?
by Farlfoto on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:39:51 PM PDT
you're right about that rallying behind. This seems to be an order of magnitude bigger than 2004 to me. Maybe it's the taboo subjects of race and gender in the foreground that's making it seem that way.
Political compass: -5.50 econ, -5.79 libertarian/authoritarian
by billlaurelMD on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:57:29 PM PDT
on even in this diary comment thread! Incredible.
I'm not done yet. There's much left to accomplish.
by CanYouBeAngryAndStillDream on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:30:49 AM PDT
Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)
I am an Edwards Democrat!
by Scubaval on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 01:16:09 PM PDT
actual reporting these days...
thank god for you Keith... some of us would go crazy without your bit of sanity every evening...
--poligirl
"Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are."
by poligirl on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 08:10:58 PM PDT
tomorrow is another day.
by VoicelessInDC on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 09:51:29 AM PDT
but I so agree.
Keith gets props for asking us to take a breath. I have been harping on the theme..
Take a Deep Breath and let it out slowly. Relax!
by wishingwell on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:07:31 AM PDT
repeat as needed, lol.
"I teach Sunday School Mutherf&@#er!"-S.Colbert
by Independant Man on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:28:34 AM PDT
I'll never go snarky again.
-8.25, -6.26 "I'm not superstitious. But, I AM a little stitious." - Michael Scott
by snookybeh on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 10:51:55 AM PDT
rec you twice! lol!
by VoicelessInDC on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 11:11:26 AM PDT
by snookybeh on Tue Jan 15, 2008 at 03:35:03 AM PDT
I saw it in the window, and I couldn't resist.
"I play a street-wise pimp" — Al Gore
by Ray Radlein on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 12:50:07 PM PDT
...I thought turkeys could fly."
Thanks for reminding me of what might be the funniest punch line in sit-com history.
by dianem on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 02:02:08 PM PDT
