within itself.

Not an actual, formal split, but an internal fissure that will be a tug-of-war for the soul of the party.

There will be two wings: the DLC wing and the DFA wing. Howard will go back to DFA, and he and his brother Jim will continue to build their movement from there.

This is going to be a long-term battle folks. I am working for a non-Clinton candidate for precisely that reason. But one thing I learned since I got sucked into all this four years ago, is that you gotta look long-term sometimes. If Clinton gets the nomination and McAuliffe/Ford are installed, it's a setback, but we're just going to have work harder to move our people into the lower levels of the party infrastructure and send our dollars to DFA instead of the DNC.

And if the DLC crowd thinks that they can run a party without us, they've got another thing coming.

As a senior citizen who has butted their head for 4 years, I'll find other things to do until that new progressive party is created.

managing a disease - there's no cure, only a treatment and the disease is always trying to come back, and in any moment of weakness, it will put the nation on life support to the point it eventually, like any other parasitic disease, kills the host.

We need some stem cell research for democracy!

A few more years of "centrist" government, whether delivered by the GOP or the DLC, and America will become a failed theocratic police state ravaged by freak weather which will have become the norm, with an infrastructure decayed beyond use, and a government no longer capable of delivering services. Imagine an America that looks like post-Katrina NOLA.

America's wealth in terms of intellectual property will be expropriated one way or another. Our sub-prime McMansions will be rented to us as they fall apart by foriegn owners who don't care about court orders to maintain their property.

That's simply a linear projection of what current trends look like if nobody stops them. Centrist in this context means "nobody cares, we're here to help the real people represented by K Street".

The concept of generational struggle for the soul of America is completely meaningless. We've got a handful of years to get it right at best. It may already be too late.

No country in history has had the option of staying stupid forever.

The Democratic party suffers from the same malaise that's afflicting the Republicans: lack of vision, group think, rigidity, venality, and an apparent inability to change with the exigencies of a new century...a time of massive transformation in all institutions, it seems, but the federal government. Dean gets that, so does Obama and Feingold and pitifully few others. It's astonishing that Bill Clinton, the sharpest bulb in the dusty chandelier, has become like one of the old white guys who persecuted him. A split in the party makes all kinds of sense...but not this year when so much is at stake.  Maybe you're right... 2012.

We HAVE to take the nation away from the Republicans ANY way we can.  

From the bottom up.