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I think no. I think Obama tries to chew his own arm off rather than take the VP spot with Hillary.
But I'm open to arguments to the contrary.
by Bailey on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:51:45 PM PDT
not that it would be offered to him.
by A Handsome Man on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:54:46 PM PDT
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that he polarizes Dem's so much that he'll have to be asked to bring his polarized supporters with him. This is mean for me, I know, but these sore loser tactics seem small to me.
Hillary - Alternative Energy
by anna shane on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:55:53 PM PDT
How pathetic to blast him for something that is your own speculation.
New quote under construction.
by turneresq on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:56:52 PM PDT
if it's true he has this gossip about her on his web site, then he's guilty of smearing. It's gossip, unless he saw it himself and collected names and vetted it. Too soon for that to be possible.
by anna shane on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:04:24 PM PDT
She clearly cannot control Bill - look at his outrageous behavior on the campaign trail.
Anyone with any political ambition or any sense of dignity would refuse a Hillary VP slot, because why be 3rd fiddle?
by Greuben on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:13:06 PM PDT
she's never been able to, but he's okay, he's got universal appeal. LIke Obama, only even more.
by anna shane on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:44:48 PM PDT
supporting this POS during impeachment. The Senate should have voted to remove his sorry ass. His replacement would have had much more honor, and a big leg up in 2000 as the sitting President.
by TLS66 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:01:50 PM PDT
up-rated, of course.
by kidneystones on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:42:23 PM PDT
his resignation nothwthstanding, Reagan was another, and let's not forget the current Chimp (though he didn't actually win the first one). So, yes, POS. It's an assessment I'm pained to make, but I've given Bill a pass too many times.... Monica, the pardons, etc. Then he got cozy with the Bushes, and now, with his despicable behavior in the past weeks...ugggh.
by TLS66 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 11:38:30 PM PDT
IF Hillary wins, it will take a highly compliant Clinton insider type to serve as VP and constantly have Bill sucking away the oxygen and second guessing decisions. I don't see Obama in this role and I am not conceding an Obama loss either. Incidentallly, Bill has disappointed me with his in your face, unprincipled behavior in this campaign. I've read some stuff...I am not delusional about Bill Clinton but he was still one of my favorite people. Now... not so much. He needs some humility.
by cas2 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:55:56 PM PDT
an unclear reference in your comment:
"this gossip about her "
what gossip? did I miss something? Please clarify. Thanks.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." --Thomas Jefferson
by penncove on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:40:33 PM PDT
is repeating what you heard not what you experienced yourself. It's hearsay and it's unworthy of his don't smear message. Seems that he jumped the gun on calling the NV delegates for him too, the party says no, the newspaper say no, say he's confused about the counting process. How embarrassing?
by anna shane on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:47:01 PM PDT
I still don't understand what, exactly, you're referring to about this "gossip". Is it about something Obama has on his site, or is it about something being slung around here on dKos?? Please illuminate.
As to the delegate count thing, I don't know if you're quite right. AP is carrying the story. Can you provide a link which confirms that the NV state party is throwing cold water on the Obama read of likely delegate assignments, which CNN, on their results site, has, as of 6.03 PM PST, flipped in Obama's direction.
by penncove on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:04:39 PM PDT
I don't have a link, but I'm sure there will soon be one posted. This will get sorted out I'm sure, I just think it's weird to be posting on it, like kos diary, as if it's a done deal when that is far from the case. The Sun says Obama doesn't understand the way delegates are selected. It seems like trashing her win, and she did win. some are talking about dirty tricks, not really getting the votes, all sorts of stuff that is unpleasant. But, I don't mean to be unpleasant, sorry. I hope kos write a retraction that gets as much interest as his obama really won one.
by anna shane on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:24:42 PM PDT
we're getting all exercised here about who gets 13, who gets 12 in a pretty close election....
meanwhile, in SC, according to CNN's latest projections, McCain, for 33% of primary votes (no caucus chaos here), gets 13 (projected) delegates, while Hucky, with 30%, gets 3....
In Nevada, again per CNN, Romney, with 51%, gets 18 delegates of 31 (or 58%)
once again, even in one of our messiest and most confusing settings, the Nevada caucus, we Dems are closer to proportional democracy than the GOP....
by penncove on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:12:47 PM PDT
camp's figures.
I didn't that look far down thread to see if anyone answered this so sorry if it's a repeat.
But as for the NV state chair who's been "throwing water" so to speak in response to Obama's claims it's in a lot of places. Here's one full quote.
"The calculations of national convention delegates being circulated are based upon an assumption that delegate preferences will remain the same between now and April 2008," said Jill Derby, the chairwoman of the state party. "We look forward to our county and state conventions where we will choose the delegates for the nominee that Nevadans support."
Here's one link to Sun Article:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/...
by santh on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:15:12 PM PDT
I think Obama will not hesitate to support her and the Democratic Party. The fact is all three of the top candidates have more character than their "supporters" have shown over the last few weeks.
by A Handsome Man on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:04:12 PM PDT
seen Obama hesitate to do the right thing. I'm sure that, if he is not the nominee, he will support the nominee fully.
I'm also sure that he would accept the VP role if it was offered.
by DMiller on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:08:49 PM PDT
Hillary, I'm really not sure about. As I've posted elsewhere, he do believe she did what she could to sabotage the Gore '00 and Kerry '04 campaigns ("I STILL would have voted for IWR", remember?).
by TLS66 on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:04:21 PM PDT
And it has nothing to do with my character, thank you very much, that I won't vote for her. It has everything to do with my hatred of Clinton style politics, a return to the 1990's, and dynasties. That's not a party I want to support if that's the direction it's going to go. I'd support Edwards, I'd probably even support Kucinich. I will not vote for the Clintons even if Barack Obama begs me to.
by SlowNomad on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:26:24 PM PDT
Why wouldn't he?
We win when people think.
by jbrians on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 04:55:08 PM PDT
by pletzs on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:04:48 PM PDT
taint. But who knows? They will need him more than he will need them.
Does George Stephanapolous love America as much as you do?
by PrometheusSpeaks on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:21:01 PM PDT
... from sleazy politics. Joining the sleazebags only makes think he was full of shit.
Obama/Gore '08
by crazymoloch on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:39:41 PM PDT
on Obama's part. Why would he want to be a part of a losing effort. I'll vote for Hillary if she is the nominee but know that she is not going to win. She's John Kerry II. I wish democrats would take a chance with someone else and quit nominating these North Eastern Senators who've been around for ever. It's very frustrating.
by JTA on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:55:05 PM PDT
All over it.
They're the same candidate.
Then, the Democrats would lose the general.
by demer on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:44:19 PM PDT
It'd be insulting. To everyone who supported him as well as to himself. And it wouldn't sway me. I'd hate to think how the Clintons would squash every bit of hope and promise out of him. I still would not vote for the Clintons unless Huckabee were the Republican nominee. Otherwise, I become an Independent after over 30 years of only voting Democratic. If the party is going to go back to yesterday, they've proven to me that they don't listen and they are stuck. At that point it'd just be codependent to continue to prop them up with a vote I don't mean.
by SlowNomad on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:22:37 PM PDT
wide narrow
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