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by Jerome a Paris on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:48:39 AM PDT
that by posting it on DailyKos, we actually made it happen? Spoooooky. ;-)
Don't trust any UID over [insert current highest number here].
by pattyp on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:51:26 AM PDT
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Can we finally get started on a realistic energy policy in the USA? Less than 13 months to BushEND- time to start working on the future.
Well of course not, the entrenched fossil fools have too much control over the corrupt congress (but I repeat myself).
A good start would be to end all subsidies and preferential tax treatment for the fossil fuel industry.
We have enough solar energy to power the whole world, let's start capturing and using today's solar energy instead of continuing to exploit the solar energy stored in hydrocarbons from millions of years ago.
by MD patriot on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:00:54 AM PDT
I don't know how real peak oil is, but without a doubt, we need to use the oil we have now to build the infrastructure to convert to solar or hydrogen or what ever. Not only will this be more difficult when oil blasts past $200+ but we will also be contending with huge amounts of starving people as the world struggles with inadequate energy sources to feed to world's population.
"You may be on the right track, but if you sit still, you'll get run over" Will Rogers
by gaspare on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:11:12 AM PDT
Most hydrogen comes from natural gas, and even after it is available in gas form, another 40% of the energy is required to compress it for use in mobile vehicles- just another bushite scam like the Ethanol Boondoggle- line the pockets of big-money campaign donors while starving the poor.
Just 25 gallons of grain-corn ethanol would feed one person for one year at 2,500 calories per day.
Latest EPA figures for the 2008 F150: 13/17 gasoline, 9/12 for E85!! Yet E85 costs more, even with the $1/ gallon subsidy for the fat cats- what a rip-off.
by MD patriot on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:38:58 AM PDT
If we get a working, sustainable fusion reactor, all energy problems are solved until the heat death of the universe.
Until then, Hydrogen is a boondoggle.
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by ScrewySquirrel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:04:46 PM PDT
and can be burned.
by xjac on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:07:50 PM PDT
currently the easiest way to do this is using natural gas. This is not going to help create a sustainable energy infrastructure, just transfer the addiction from liquid to gas.
by ManfromMiddletown on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:21:43 PM PDT
interesting diary from a few days back on this very subject, in case you might be interested.
Love is the source, substance and future of all being. --St. Francis
by ksingh on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:22:51 PM PDT
matching wind energy with hydrogen storage. For one thing if the storage is economical, then it allows wind power to be used in the same region even when the wind isn't blowing. And if viable at the micro level, makes for an intereting way to allow many areas to produce electric power locally instead of sending it in from thousands of miles away.
And of course, if the technology exits to make it portable, hydrogen becomes a viable alternative to gasoline for certain uses. I think that there needs to be a push to do something about the commerical trucking fleet. Must semis get less that 8 mpg, and they run hundreds of miles. There's a relatively small network (much less than all gas stations) of truck stops that work on volume, and could show the economies of scale needed to move the commercial trucking fleet over to alternative fuel choices.
by ManfromMiddletown on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:47:50 PM PDT
How does hydrogen energy storage compare to standard contemporary battery storage? Is it as efficient? Is there more or less loss in transference? Is it better for long term storage? What is the carbon input of manufacture and management of both systems?
These are the sort of questions we (or at least our technologists) should be asking.
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by j bopp on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 05:46:05 AM PDT
... lies in being able to take care of basic needs. Food security. It would be nice not to have so much of the world's energy supply coming from the volatile middle east. Maybe even head for some improvement on the climate change front.
I just read an article from November in New Yorker. About tar sands, twice the carbon footprint per gallon of gasoline. Talk of being not dependent on foreign oil, and they don't often mention Canada (from tar sands) as the US #1 source of imported oil.
There's been some proposals to subsidize US tar sands development. Perhaps not a smart move. Pretty good article. Link to an abstract.
"You can't depend on your judgment when your imagination is out of focus." . . . . . . . . . Mark Twain
by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:57:59 AM PDT
we could just go back to the Carter energy policy.
I am an Edwards Democrat.
by ThirstyGator on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:10:46 AM PDT
28 years r&d. Dude!
by ksingh on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:25:31 PM PDT
I live in Kansas and am very impressed that with the focus on windpower, there's a program to try to get schools in places in the state with good wind source to power with wind. Some of the community colleges and other schools are doing it. Greensburg, KS is going to be a green town as they rebuild. They're going with wind and there will be a biofuel plant there. The school they are building is supposed to be the most green built school in the country. This is the way we have to go. I'm hoping they will be able to make Ethanol with something other than corn soon. We cure have plenty of prairie grass here. Might as well make fuel out of it. The farmers burn it in the spring before they plant. I feel certain Kansas could also put solar into the mix as well. Finally, Kansas is leading the way on something important.
Winning without Delay.
by ljm on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:23:05 PM PDT
after 2006 by predicting it.
We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"
by Gooserock on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:52:55 AM PDT
damn you to Helllllll!!!
by pattyp on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:55:05 AM PDT
by posting it on DailyKos, we actually made it happen?
Then I hereby predict the victory of Progressive Dems over the Rethugs and Corporate Dems, a Peaceful solution in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East, a speedy transition to clean energy, and a sustainable economy...for starters!
Oh, and war crimes trials for Bu$hCo.
Feel free to add stuff I missed...
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by drewfromct on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:25:48 PM PDT
the part about me winning the lottery and getting laid. Not necessarily in that order.
by pattyp on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:48:26 PM PDT
and there's short term and long term tax consequences. Getting laid is priceless, far shorter dribble time, and the ticket is re-usable; although, depending on age, there can be some risk of producing tax deductions.
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by antirove on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:53:24 PM PDT
...read tomorrow's headlines today!
(Going to start a "Countdown to $200/bbl, Jerome? Hehe)
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by Sparhawk on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:52:23 AM PDT
read today's headlines 30 months ago. Heh.
by pattyp on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:56:28 AM PDT
I didn't even get the last oil diary before $100 Was ready for a good one for tomorrow. Oh, well.
Might as well note that wholesale gasoline is up another 7 cents, heading for $3.50 retail this spring. Heating oil is still setting records, & it's turning out to be a cold winter.
by Downpuppy on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:43:55 AM PDT
Good diary.
"There is one man who knows in his heart that we have to build one America - not two - and that man is Barack Obama." John Edwards 5/14/08
by TomP on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:00:06 AM PDT
$120 oil by mid 2008 (I think it was CNBC), so things are really rolling now and I'll vote on that figure. It won't take 2 years this time.
We are F*&@ed rats, in dollars, euros, pesos or sterling...
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by tigerdog on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:23:05 PM PDT
"Today’s report that the price of oil has reached $100 a barrel is just another example of how corporate greed is squeezing the middle class. This increase shows the urgency of taking on the big oil companies so we can build a new energy economy and transition away from oil to other affordable sources of energy. "And in the short term, we must take immediate steps to help families struggling with unaffordable home heating costs this winter. I have called on President Bush to release oil from the strategic petroleum reserve and fully fund LIHEAP to help families with the increased cost of oil. "America’s dependence on oil not only leaves families vulnerable to rising prices, but it compromises our national security and contributes to the crisis of global warming. It’s time for us to rise up and take on the corporate greed that is taking over our democracy so we can leave a better America to our children."
"Today’s report that the price of oil has reached $100 a barrel is just another example of how corporate greed is squeezing the middle class. This increase shows the urgency of taking on the big oil companies so we can build a new energy economy and transition away from oil to other affordable sources of energy.
"And in the short term, we must take immediate steps to help families struggling with unaffordable home heating costs this winter. I have called on President Bush to release oil from the strategic petroleum reserve and fully fund LIHEAP to help families with the increased cost of oil.
"America’s dependence on oil not only leaves families vulnerable to rising prices, but it compromises our national security and contributes to the crisis of global warming. It’s time for us to rise up and take on the corporate greed that is taking over our democracy so we can leave a better America to our children."
by TomP on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:52:50 PM PDT
to present high oil prices as something that can somehow be avoided, or that can be blamed on "the other side." Corporate greed CAN be harnessed to develop other energy sources, if government imposes the way. "Corporations should not set policy" would be a better way to frame it.
And using the strategic reserves to lower costs in the short term is a terrible, terible idea.
by Jerome a Paris on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:32:51 PM PDT
you too Jerome
-Barack
Aloha!
by wetzel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:08:05 AM PDT
Just as they have gotten us used to the three dollar a gallon mark, I think their real mark is $5.00 a gallon. By the time of the elections in November, I think the national average high will have exceeded $3.50 a gallon and we'll all be relieved when the price goes down just before the election to $3.20 or so. The amount of money taken out of the economy going to Big Oil is staggering. Maybe some of the statistics kossacks can show us what that numbers is. And expand that cost through to the cost of all other goods and services because of the cost of transportation increases.
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by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:18:28 AM PDT
whatever it takes to keep the gravy train rolling until the bubble bursts, demand plunges and everyone wonders who spoiled the party.
Oil of course, is not housing, and I predicted in other posts that I think oil will drift upwards and stay at least in the $90-$110 band. The worst thing of it all it is the choke hold grip that the oil compnaies have on domestic policy, if it's not big tax breaks, it's fighting CAFE standards and on and on.
by gaspare on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:27:33 AM PDT
"if" we have an extended recession/depression it'll get very ugly. And "they" could very well be the targets of that frustration. But then again "they" may realize this and now have Blackwater to protect "them".
by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:32:39 AM PDT
Halliburton's already gone there.
"They", in human rather than corporate form, generally keep homes in multiple countries.
by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:03:18 AM PDT
by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:06:37 AM PDT
his hideaway in Paraguay
"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002-GWB
by meatwad420 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:14:46 AM PDT
by the people the way they were in the 1930's.
Whatever the economy does, they're in pretty good position to make sure that we pay our own way and they never again face anything remotely like another New Deal.
by Gooserock on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:55:56 AM PDT
$4.00/gal in most places by the end of the summer. That will really hurt a lot of people. And if the Dems win the WH and solid control of Congress in the fall, all bets are off for next year.
Food will be up more too, as will just about every consumer good because of transportation costs.
Companies have been eating a lot of the increases (including oil companies), but they're not going to do that forever. Especially now - their investments have likely tanked, they can't raise easy cash, and their stockholders are going to be very nervous.
As a point of reference, I got the price of gas right in 2005 ($3.00/gal by Labor Day) and 2006 (up .10 right after the election) though the 2005 one was just (bad) luck. Now if I can just do that with the stock market - or lottery numbers...
by mmacdDE on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:40:13 AM PDT
But actually I agree.
by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:42:49 AM PDT
1.24 a litre to be exact. You guys are still getting it cheap!
PolitiCook du jour.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:41:26 AM PDT
At least the Euro is worth something.
This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus
by emptywheel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:45:17 AM PDT
by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:47:08 AM PDT
comparatively so. But also in comparison the consumption in the US used to allow for the volume to offset the difference. With the expansions of other markets that is not the case anymore.
by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:46:41 AM PDT
Our gasoline taxes are amazingly low, while the European governments are making money while encouraging sensible energy policy. It would make a lot of sense for the US to raise the federal gasoline tax substantially, both to encourage conservation as well as to finance some infrastructure repair, but it would be politically very difficult. Here in Minnesota, we haven't raised the state tax since 1988; it's at a puny $.20/gallon. Our governor, Tim Pawlenty, has vetoed raises of 5 and 10 cents in the last two years while trying to stick to his "no new taxes" pledge (and hoping for a VP shot on the Republican ticket). And people wonder why we have a problem with our bridges!
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by ER Doc on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:54:52 AM PDT
It's a real catch 22 for a progressive; the simplest, most effective way to slow global warming and ward off energy crisises devastates the working poor. If you live in a rural area, car costs are already easily a third of your expences, and any disruption in that (say, a mechanic's bill or running out of money for insurance and getting caught) will rapidly throw you into a cycle of desperate poverty that's almost impossible to get out of...
"While there is a lower class, I am in it; while there is a criminal element, I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free!" -Eugene V. Debs
by leftneck on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:18:56 AM PDT
Gas prices are going to skyrocket; the question is whether we want to have some control over the prices or whether we want to be at the mercy of the market.
by lemming22 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:30:54 PM PDT
if the money goes to despotic leaders in other countries, or to public authorities in your own country.
by Jerome a Paris on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 04:34:37 PM PDT
I'd rather have my money funding Head Start than paying for somebody's torture chamber (ours or theirs).
Learn all about Michele Bachmann. Heheheheh.
by Phoenix Woman on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:33:56 AM PDT
we had had competent leadership on energy over the past 30 years.
by Rick Winrod on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:21:55 AM PDT
Too bad no one followed the lead. 99% just laughed and voted him out at the first chance.
GWOT - Global War on Terra(-firma) - Bush's War on the Planet.
by grndrush on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:13:13 PM PDT
smile and pretend to be "green" and veto any sensible economic policy. The press here never questions him, and he gets a free ride.
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by decembersue on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:30:15 AM PDT
Small bikes get about 70 miles to the gallon, pollute no more than a car, take much less energy to build, and you can park five bikes in the space of one car. Three bikes ride in the footprint of two cars. Bikes are also lots more fun. They are practical year round in many major population areas. With most trips being solo passenger, especially commuting, bikes make sense.
by la motocycliste on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:42:35 PM PDT
Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré
by milton333 on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:08:51 AM PDT
more or less. And I presume you never had Firestone, Ford et al buying up all your mass transit and dismantling it for buses and highways.
by Gooserock on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:58:38 AM PDT
the Conspiracy plot in Who Framed Roger Rabbit was actually quite real. Just it was a conglomerate of Mobil Oil and GM that bought out the public transportation Red Car in Los Angeles, got a cartoon.
by ScrewySquirrel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:11:47 PM PDT
I'd expect someone named "ScrewySquirrel" to try to shift the blame away from cartoons.
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by Ray Radlein on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:12:58 PM PDT
in England Thatcher privatized mass transit and now it's such a gouge that most people have gone over to using cars. If this gummint was as concerned about carbon emissions as they claim, they'd reverse those policies pronto.
by northsylvania on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:22:01 PM PDT
you get health care via the taxes on yours. we get nothing.
NOT THIS TIME!
by donailin on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:00:36 PM PDT
taxes you pay that make it cost that much.
I think you do anyway...
And you have so much less country to drive...
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by rick on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 02:02:31 PM PDT
... for heat in 2008. Don't need much, just cover the times when solar falls short. Which isn't that often. Quit worrying about chipping the brush cleared into mulch. Just use it to heat the place instead.
Heating fuels are making for a tough winter in much of the country, too.
by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:01:38 AM PDT
more cold related deaths from our northern most cities. Which is more shame on us.
by TexDem on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:05:28 AM PDT
... against global warming. Meanwhile, the morons are all circling, looking to grab oil rights as the polar ice cap disappears. Mining and Minerals Service (MMS) inside the Interior Dept. handles all the offshore drilling. Cesspool of corruption. Lord knows what kinda stuff Griles & Norton left behind. The guy who left the ceilings out of 1990s contracts got promoted to HQ.
by Land of Enchantment on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:23:00 AM PDT
mined recently from the air, so it's recycling and not contributing to the rising CO2 caused by fossil fuel releases.
Two, you add particulates which evidently have actually been suppressing warming in the modern era.
Of course, not so good for local asthmatics.
by Gooserock on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:01:54 PM PDT
after your earlier diary one looking ahead to 2008, I matched the list of mega oil projects that you linked to at the page the Oil Drum Europe people made on Wikipedia, and matched that on a spreadsheet I made using the US DOE numbers on 1980-2007 oil production. I used the consumption trend of the past two years (Post Katrina and the the rise in oil prices) and matched it to to the production increases from those oil projects. Then I ran the numbers out to 2013 when the "wall of oil" destine for the world markets dries up.
It's interesting.
Brazil becomes a major oil exporter by 2013, exporting 2.88 mbd more than currently. Canada puts an additional 2.65 mbd on the market. At the same time US consumption is down by over a million barrels a day if 05-07 consumption trends hold. This is true for most of the OECD, but consumption is way up in underdeveloped countries. China needs to find another 3.43 mbd on the world market, and India another 0.22 mbd on the world market.
Huge consumption increases in the OPEC states. The 1 mbd decrease in the US, is matched by a similiar increase in Saudi Arabia.
And all off this assumes that current oil field production remains constant, when its more likely that fields like Ghawar in Saudi and Cantarell in Mexico are in terminal decline.
by ManfromMiddletown on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:35:56 AM PDT
is an 85-yr-old man with metastasized cancer...
by grndrush on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:17:50 PM PDT
Then people will write diaries saying "Jerome is abandoning the US dollar!!!"
Good series Jerome. Thanks for the ride!
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by MarkInSanFran on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:47:08 AM PDT
by Gooserock on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:02:29 PM PDT
we might hit oil at 200 dollars and at 100 Euros at the same time :-(
by MarkInSanFran on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:18:11 PM PDT
and i predicted it.
by antoniomachado on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:49:23 AM PDT
We're members of a food coop that has a fixed markup of 21% for all items. Our weekly bill is up between 10 and 17.5% depending upon what we buy that week. Locally grown organic produce seems to have had the least increase. Dairy is up. And anything imported is way up. Dang European cheeses and oils.
Would suck to be on a fixed income this year.
by j bopp on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:22:03 PM PDT
love that sky high euro. of course the spanish cheeses that i crave have gone up too. i may buy some goats.
by antoniomachado on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:23:02 PM PDT
Gold closed at an all-time high today of $858.67.
When will people learn that buying a few ounces of gold and shoving them in a safe is a much better investment than playing the stock market?
Last year the S&P 500 was up about 4%. Gold bullion was up 32%. That makes 6 of the last 7 years that gold has beaten the general stock market.
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by gjohnsit on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:54:03 AM PDT
Ripping gold out of our mountains and streams is never a good investment, especially at the tiny amounts of gold (fractions of an ounce) per ton of rock mined.
As the bumper stickers read out here;
Clean water: More precious than gold.
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by Ed in Montana on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:14:40 AM PDT
Most commodities are destructive to the environment Whether it be gold, iron ore, coal, natural gas, crude oil, lumber, etc. Yet modern life wouldn't be possible without that stuff.
More importantly, even if you disapprove of, say, gold, crude oil, and lumber, its still going to get exploited.
So here's the dilemma: You can not avoid investing in these commodities on principle, and become poorer in the process. While Republicans do invest in this bull market and become richer. Thus progressive people will be poor, and conservatives will be rich.
Or, you can hold you nose and get wealthy in this bull market. Then you can put your new wealth to use in progressive causes - like more environmentally friendly mining practices.
Either way, there is a bull market in commodities and it is going to continue whether you invest in it or not.
by gjohnsit on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:50:15 AM PDT
With investing in commodities. But gold mining in this day and age is more destructive than most other forms of hard rock mining, or driling for oil and gas or even surface mining for coal (excepting mountain top removal).
It is really gold strip mining, that generates enormous amounts of waste rock. In most gold strip mining operations the gold bearing rock is crushed and drenched with cyanide, and the resulting liquor partially captured and refined for its gold.
In Montana, we have banned open pile cyanide heap leach operations due to their extremely destructive impacts on rivers, streams and groundwater. Gold must be extracted in an enclosed container or vat that cannot leak into the surrounding environment.
Unfortunately, the giant hard rock open pits do not need to be reclaimed, even though all surface coal strip mines must be reeclaimed in our state to high standards. Investing in gold is investing in environmental destruction on a large scale.
by Ed in Montana on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:09:51 PM PDT
Congratulations?
Ah, the bittersweetness of being a correct Cassandra!
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by buhdydharma on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:02:10 AM PDT
I'm going to go cry now...
When I first saw your Countdown to $100, I remember being fucking SCARED. Didn't think it was possible. Ah, to be young and stupid again...
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by Team Slacker on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:13:29 AM PDT
but I was right there, 3 months before your first diary with: 'Has Saudi Oil Already Peaked?' : http://www.dailykos.com/... in March, 2005. I think you referenced it in a pre-countdown diary, Jerome.
by ScrewySquirrel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:07:56 PM PDT
He said he'd pick up the phone and call the King of Saudi Arabia, or some such nonsense, and tell him "to bring down those prices". Or some such nonsense. Can anyone find a tape of that lying SOS saying that? I think it would make a powerful statement as to whether one can trust Republican politicians. Or not.
The correct answer being "or not".
by arthura on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:21:24 PM PDT
I can't say I'm pleased to have you proved right, but right you are. I told my boys tonight that the world had changed and that they would have to live with the consequences of it. So okay, we watched two episodes of Numb3rs and now they're eating ice cream. Change happens slowly . . .
"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" - Abraham Lincoln
by LondonYank on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 01:26:23 PM PDT
Here is the oil price trend in both dollars and Euros, for the last half-year, both in absolute and relative terms, to show that and the 'real' oil price is rising even while the dollar is weakening:
Below a longer view of WTI oil prices in Dollars and Euros:
The last graph takes an even longer view, what's more I corrected for inflation (using the German D-Mark and inflation in Germany):
by Daneel on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:12:41 PM PDT
for crossposting.
by ManfromMiddletown on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 03:56:03 PM PDT
There you are, a $100 oil barrel!
(I've been planning to do that since it got close to $100 a few months ago, and I almost missed this because of the Iowa caucuses. Hope you enjoy it. Image is released under the Creative Commons Share-Alike license; use it any way you see fit. Cross-commented to EuroTrib.)
Since I'm a computer geek, I have to suggest that the next target be $256 dollar a barrel oil. You need to stick to nice, round numbers, not desultory ones like 100. :^)
Feed the babies who don't have enough to eat / Shoe the children with no shoes on their feet / House the people living in the street / Oh, there's a solution
by dconrad on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 02:26:01 AM PDT
wide narrow
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