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Clinton and instead promises to vote for McCain or Romney as a Republican troll.
by Delaware Dem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:40:46 PM PDT
Really, they are WATB traitors more than trolls. Trolls who have always believed scum suckers like Limbaugh are one class of clowns I don't want to be associated with.
But it takes real Quisling-like sliminess to switch like WATBs if their candidate doesn't win.
Hate to be so stark about it, but that's how it is.
If they'll vote for McCain or Mitt, they should leave now.
"If you want to go quickly, go alone. If you want to go far, go together." We need to go far, quickly.
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:45:38 PM PDT
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I have no disagreement with your general sentiment, but 'Quisling' seems a bit much,don't you think?
You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god
by Clem Yeobright on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:52:49 PM PDT
by LandOLincoln on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:53:29 PM PDT
It's worse than voting for Nader, or staying home for a long shot.
Voting for a Repug is an act of treason as far as I am concerned. Pretty funny, for a person who is a declared independent to say, but I've said it.
Democrats are not perfect, and people like Mike Malloy can go on and on about how Hillary is Bush-Lite, but sorry.
Voting for Repugnants is the bridge gone too damn far.
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:55:57 PM PDT
will need come November. Why do people claim to be ready to vote Republican if their candidate doesn't win - many reasons - but one is to get a rise out of people. Try to stick to facts and reasonable opinions, and when on the receiving end try to have a thick skin. Absolutely defend your candidate and remember : It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt...so don't go playing with Gasoline.
Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."
by Sacramento Dem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:58:23 PM PDT
I want a Democrat to win in November, and Obama cannot stand up to the challenge the Repugs will throw at him.
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:06:06 PM PDT
If Barack can pull this out (and I think he has a decent shot) I won't doubt he can take whatever the R's have in store.
by Sacramento Dem on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:46:15 PM PDT
Honestly, you think a lot of Edwards supporters are just all of a sudden go Republican? Uh-huh, sure.
You can read more of lordradish at five before chaos. But why would you want to?
by lordradish on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:59:57 PM PDT
who seem to be espousing the Bloomberg-ish position, fwiw.
Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré
by milton333 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:06:59 PM PDT
Excuse me? I didn't sign any pledge of loyalty to the Democratic party. What, exactly, am I betraying?
by Vann on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:17:14 PM PDT
Obama 2008
by cato on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:29:42 PM PDT
Civil rights Poverty causes Health Care Women Rights Nature ....
by Iberian on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 07:24:20 AM PDT
by NY Writer on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:28:17 PM PDT
And how, pray tell, do you know what my own priorities are?
The worst impulse of the left is to talk to people as if they know what's best for them, rather than inspiring people to live up to the best in themselves.
Saying I'd betray myself if I didn't vote for Clinton is a prime example of that attitude.
by Vann on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:40:07 PM PDT
betraying all of us. You're betraying the country. I should think that would be obvious by now.
by LandOLincoln on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 12:35:04 PM PDT
if their kossacks who don't want to vote for your cnadidate.
It's instant TR to call people traitors when they betray their oaths of office, aid and abet the usurper, and connive at stealing elections.
Gotta keep those carefully straight.
So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"
by khereva on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:40:46 PM PDT
Yup.
My 'candidate' is Al Gore. It's who I wrote in, in NH.
Anyone who says they are going to vote for Pug should GTFO, now.
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:09:26 PM PDT
by khereva on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:11:42 AM PDT
by shpilk on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 06:01:45 PM PDT
I tend to agree but I think there could be one very legitimate reason to not vote for Clinton, or to vote against her: dynasty.
It says a lot about our democracy if we elect another Clinton OR Bush (theres still Jeb) to the white house. Something is wrong with our democracy.
Yes, I support Obama, flame me.
"Your fight is my fight and it will always be that way."
by stephen weinstein on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:54:44 PM PDT
President Rodham?
by ms in la on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 09:40:02 PM PDT
VP.
When the first lady is a lawyer, a wonky, detail oriented, smart Democrat who can learn from experience, it is almost like a VP position, and we don't begrudge VPs from running for P.
Michelle Obama, also a lawyer, also very smart and committed to a shared ideal as Barak, could gain the same kind of experience by being around an Obama White House, and regardless of who Obama's actual VP was, she would be as justified in running as his VP would be. Unlike say, Nancy Reagun.
Times have changed. One reason Gore and Hillary were so competitive was she was sort of another VP, in competition for the next race.
McCain already vetoes every environmental bill !
by dotcommodity on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 09:45:30 PM PDT
Unlike say, Nancy Reagun
Didn't everybody say nancy and her astrologer ran the Country when Ronnie wasn't functioning so well in the last couple of years of his presidency? Didn't that make her as qualified as Hillary? Do you give Nancy credit for her experince as First Lady?
just asking...
~*-:¦:-jennybravo-:¦:-*~
by jennybravo on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:45:54 AM PDT
I see a difference between first ladies of the Elenor Roosevelt/Hillary/(and probable) Michelle type of activist, educated de-facto VP, and the traditional Republican trophy wives.
by dotcommodity on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 05:28:51 AM PDT
for you to say. I am Native American, with a son who is mixed race Black/White/Indian. The idea of voting for a person who has no problem appealing to the worst in human beings, especially as far as race is concerned, as Hillary has done sickens me.
You call anyone who cares deeply about issues that you don't care about slime. Issues that affect them and their children everyday of their lives. You know what? John McCain has been a force for good in Indian Country for a long, long time. He is more knowledgeable about about our issues and has been more active in really attempting to provide solutions as opposed to mouthing platitudes than any other Senator I can think of. So he is not all bad in my book.
Yet a good number of people on Kos expect me and others to just give up on our issues for the hundredth time for the good of the Dems. There comes a point when we have to ask ourselves how long are we supposed to sacrifice ourselves and our children for the good of the rest of you.
The vast majority of you may disagree with me, but I believe deeply with every fiber of my being that the Clintons have resorted to divisive race based politics to win an election. Because of this I have no reason to believe that they will not continue with this sort of behavior if elected President in order to keep in power. In spite of my feeling this way, you expect me to be all rah rah Hillary if she gets the nomination. I'm sorry, but at this time it is hard for me to imagine supporting her.
by jennybravo on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 01:38:42 AM PDT
You were here last time.
People said the same shit in `04. And you know that. And, in the end, nearly everybody worked their asses off for Kerry.
But you love the heavy-handed stuff. Always have.
by Bob Johnson on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:49:51 PM PDT
Hill/Bill, given what you have posted recently.
If that's what it turns out to be, the alternative will motivate us, at least to vote the Demcocratic nominee.
I cannot imagine you voting for McCain, Mitt, or 9iu1lani .. or [roar] the Huckster. I cannot imagine anyone who thinks with a brain voting for any Pug.
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:02:43 PM PDT
along with the rest of the Obama Mymridons.
I would continue to encourage everyone to use their superpowers for good, not evil, even though "evil" now seems to require less congressional oversight.
by Superskepticalman on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:10:39 PM PDT
You were around here last time.
by Bob Johnson on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:40:51 PM PDT
There are plenty of good and important congressional races in my neck of the woods. They'll keep me busy.
But should Clinton be the nominee, of course I'll vote for her.
But I can also understand those who write -- in the heat or primary season -- that they wouldn't.
I am suggesting they will. And that by October, everyone will be on the train. Just like last time.
by Bob Johnson on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:40:17 PM PDT
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:11:49 PM PDT
To vote for someone who you really believe is a disaster, who you know is part of everything you hate about politics. What is your vote worth to you when you cast a vote with that much distain. And the way you react to fellow democrats who feel this way, knowing that we are large in number is more name calling, and scorn? If our minds could be changed to make us feel something different it sure wouldn't happen in here. Some things are worth protesting. My vote means something, if only to me.
by jazzyjay on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:16:22 PM PDT
Work your ass off for the candidate.
I'm a registered Independent, that would vote Socialist if I had the candidate that wouldn't allow a Pug to beat a Dem, and I wrote in Al Gore. I wish Bernie Sanders was my Senator.
But I know at the end of the damn day which side of bread is buttered on. No damn Ralph Nader, no damn Mike Bloomberg, or Ross Perot surely not any damn stinking John McCain have my best interests at heart. Ya, I said Nader - he's an ego maniacal maniac whose head is bigger than the planet.
Name calling? I am sick to death of hearing the name calling and shit that flows out of the WATB diaries about how awful this one or that one is, and most of all, when the WATBs threaten to cry and take the ball and go vote for McCain.
Ya, Hillary has a lot of problems, but at least she's not going to appoint another damn Alito or Scalia to the SCOTUS.
by shpilk on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:18:35 PM PDT
Unfortunately many brained people reelected Bush. That's reality not imagination. Many more brained people view Ronald Reagan as an Icon. That's also reality, not imagination. A progressive Clinton policy legacy is imaginary even though I've admired Bill Clinton more than any other politician since I was first aquainted with him in 1991.
Obama!
by fisheye on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 07:01:04 AM PDT
I supported John Edwards in 2008 and it made me proud every day
by BWasikIUgrad on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 08:06:30 AM PDT
nm
Candidates that court voters who won't vote for a black man are called Republicans.
by PrometheusSpeaks on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:49:52 PM PDT
by pletzs on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:53:19 PM PDT
ALL over their keyboards.
It does not take many words to tell the truth. - Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 07:54:14 PM PDT
I only became a Democrat because I thought the Clintons were gone for good. I'm a Dean Democrat, and an Obama democrat. If we're back to the being party of the Clintons, then I'll go back to being an independent, end of story. I refuse to vote for them.
I don't have an allegiance to any particular party, and I never have and I never will. My support for the Democrats has been an alliance of convenience, because the GOP has been so corrupt and sick for so long. I'm not going to be any party to the Democrats being the party of sleaze and corruption again.
I'd rather the Democrats lose the White House again, than run the Clintons and have them do to the Democrats what George Bush did to the Republicans.
No more dynasties.
by empath on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:42:47 PM PDT
Shame on you.
You'd be willing to give the Republicans 4 more years of control because you'll feel better about yourself? I hope you feel good every time you see an uninsured kidwho would have gotten health insurance, every time you see a family of a dead soldier who would have been home, every time you see the parents of a young woman who died n a back alley abortion.
But I suppose you can just tell them that their child's life was a small price to pay to prevent another dynasty.
Selfish P.O.S.
by dcg2 on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 09:03:12 PM PDT
every time you see a family of a dead soldier who would have been home
Everytime I "see a family of a dead soldier" I think about the monsters who voted for the aumf like Clinton and Edwards.
To me, the absolute most important issue ANY of us has, and this nation has, is that we are currently being ruled by a gang of immoral war criminals. -Hornito
by discocarp on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 06:14:23 AM PDT
by DMiller on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 09:22:42 PM PDT
keep playing the fear card. It does us all good.
Arrogance and stupidity: it's a winning combination.
by MatthewBrown on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:45:09 PM PDT
Somebody has to be.
by DMiller on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:59:45 PM PDT
28 years. It's nothing new or novel. Just like your perceptions.
by MatthewBrown on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:01:51 PM PDT
if that's the right number.
However, in the last 8 years we've acquired Roberts & Alito, lucky us. 2/9 of the way to a theocracy. And we already had Scalia & Thomas. That's 4/9 of the way to a corporatist heaven with theocratic overtones.
by LIsoundview on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:32:07 AM PDT
President Huckabee or President McCain would nominate for the Supreme Court?
by LIsoundview on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:29:57 AM PDT
We think nothing of electing the VP who has already served two terms - but somehow electing a spouse who has served no terms is a Dynasty?
Anyone know where this meme came from? Limbaugh? O'Reilly? Weiner/Savage?
Why wasn't it out during the last election when the "Bush Dynasty" was in danger of ruining our country?
Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!
by Fabian on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 11:34:07 PM PDT
by yogipohaku on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 12:08:51 AM PDT
Look at their voting records. That's what matters.
by etaylor on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 07:12:48 AM PDT
Do you have a child? Will you send her to the war?... anon
by andreww on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 05:10:34 AM PDT
wide narrow
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