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That's why I'm praying for an unlikely 4th place Florida finish for him.
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by DemocraticLuntz on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:07:35 PM PDT
A St. Pete Times poll out today puts Rudy at 15% in the Florida primary, tied for 3rd with Huckabee.
by Daaaaave on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:10:23 PM PDT
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by Descrates on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:10:33 PM PDT
He trumps her strength--experience--and fakes authenticity much better, which means that in the media it'll be The Straight Talk Express vs. Triangulation and Opportunism.
"[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.
by Geekesque on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:11:37 PM PDT
I feel that she won't be able to play the victim as easily against a former POW, and the trust issues will be exacerbated.
Though, I could definitely be wrong.
by latinadem on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:13:51 PM PDT
a straight talker which will contrast unfavorably to Hillary. And, he is liked by the media and the Clintons are not.
John McCain would rather lose his integrity than lose an election.
by PrometheusSpeaks on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 07:46:02 PM PDT
Indies like McCain more.
by Partially Impartial on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:15:21 PM PDT
reputation, because Obama is perceived much the same way.
And Obama's strength--being a voice of change and a fresh face vs Senator Older-Than-Dirt.
Obama will take his share of independents vs. McCain.
Clinton won't.
by Geekesque on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:17:51 PM PDT
Check out the latest Massachusetts poll from today.
McCain 50, Obama 45
McCain wins indies 54-39.
Obama only wins Dems 65-30, while McCain wins Pubs 85-13.
Clinton does better among indies and gets 76% of Dems.
by Partially Impartial on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:23:22 PM PDT
in Massachusetts?
by Geekesque on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:26:18 PM PDT
Obama's campaigned there at least seven times.
by Partially Impartial on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:29:05 PM PDT
Don't worry, PI--Obama will sweep Mass.!!!
by serrano on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:34:31 PM PDT
normally HAVE to campaign in Mass?
by nrafter530 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:15:02 PM PDT
if Romney takes the R lead.
by gnat on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:51:34 PM PDT
to measure the strength of Democrats in a general election. They come home every time.
You look at swing states.
by JR Hawks on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:49:30 PM PDT
According to whom?
You really have your head in the sand. if you think everyone is just goingto run to Obama.
by GregNYC on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:52:10 PM PDT
the younger Obama vs. McCain anyday. A McCain-Hillary contest would be brutal and might make Bloomberg run.
"Got any gum?"
by chewie333 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:15:33 PM PDT
The strengh and experience gimmick will be completly neutralize with McCain.
My guess is McCain will run on his intergrity which will be a problem for Hillary...It's going to be tough for the Clinton to smear a war hero that a strong majority of the electorate respect.
by BlueStateLiberal on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:22:06 PM PDT
On how to get the bus out of the ditch and back on the road.
McCain was cheering on the bus driver who got us into this jam, and he hasn't a single friggin clue of how to get out of it.
The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli
by al Fubar on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:24:31 PM PDT
to McCain before the invasion occurred.
His obvious, and effective, retort will be that "I didn't change my mind because the war became unpopular or because I started running for President."
Iraq isn't going to be a major 2008 election issue.
by Geekesque on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:28:00 PM PDT
In my opinion , i doubt the war in iraq will be a strong issue for Hillary if it's Hillary vs McCain.
McCain will easily throw in a face , the fact that she was a strong supporter of the war and only flip-flopped for political gain.
Lwt me also remind you that the war seems like it was be the biggest issue in the general election and the economy has now surpassed it...McCain and Hillary are probably on equal ground on the economy...I dont think neither of them has a huge advantage on it.
ALos , things have been pretty quiet in Iraq , meaning and if things continue to stay that way , Iraq could be a huge asset for McCain...This sound cynical , but if Iraq is really improving , meaning less violence , Hillary could be in a world of hurt with McCain.....I think the war issue is already losing a lot of political power for the democrat.
by BlueStateLiberal on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:30:07 PM PDT
McCain is the one in for a world of hurt. At a time when there will likely be huge demand to do something about the economy, he has absolutely nothing to offer. In spite of straying off the reservation enough to offend the GOP faithful, he is an orthodox GOP conservative.
McCain is the one who will want to make the election about terra. Not Iraq, because there are only two conditions Iraq can be in, bad, or out of the news. But McCain's extreme all round hawkishness will rattle nerves, while Hillary's "hawkishness" by left blogosphere standards will sooth nerves.
If the economy somehow is in a feel good condition in the fall, and Iraq is out of the news, then the environment favors McCain against any Dem. Then the question is, can Obama tease over more indies (and there aren't many real indies), or can Hillary pull more women out of the woodwork.
And if all else fails, so far Hillary looks like a better knife fighter, more likely to take McCain down a peg.
by al Fubar on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:02:50 PM PDT
I seriously doubt she will have a huge advantage on McCain on the economy for the simple fact that people will trust him because of his experience in DC.
I do believe the economy being a huge issue is hurting Obama because i dont think people trust a new comer to handle such a huge crisis...This is where i think having DC experience will be a major factor for voters.
I strongly believe that McCain will move to the center if he wins the nomination and i will bet he will tone down some of his right wing talking point...Hillary will do the same but because McCain is viewed more fgavorably among indies , he will crush her among those voters.
States like Ohio , Virginia Wiscosin , will be out of reach for Clinton.
by BlueStateLiberal on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:20:33 PM PDT
He's polling scary well right now. In today's Survey USA polls, he beats Clinton and Obama in Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Minnesota. He's the only Republican to win any of those matchups against either of them
He also beats Obama in Massachusetts and is pretty close in California and New York (Obama's up 6 points in each).
by Partially Impartial on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:14:48 PM PDT
Obama wants to be, with free floating popularity unconnected to anything he stands for.
I think we are seeing a dry run for how Hillary will take on McCain. She will try to get inside his head and get him mad, because Angry John McCain will not go over well.
by al Fubar on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:27:34 PM PDT
Hillary has a huge advantage on Obama because she's playing on her turf which is the democratic electorate...Against McCain , she will be forced to court independent which is a weakness...She wont have nostalgia democrats who feels they owe her their vote against Obama.
Hillary is not popular among indies and if she were to win the nominee , she'll have huge problem against McCain who is by far one of the most popular candidate among indies.
by BlueStateLiberal on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:34:36 PM PDT
Are only a few percent of the electorate. Most so called indies are merely soft partisans. All the soft Republicans will go to McCain against anyone, since they especially like him. Soft Dems will vote for either Hillary or Obama.
So only the handful of true indies is in play, and McCain probably plays better with them than Obama does anyway. The pool of low-intensity women who will come out for Hillary is bigger than the pool of true indies that Obama can snatch from McCain.
Tactically it will be all about throwing McCain off his rhythm, the same way she has with Obama.
by al Fubar on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:08:15 PM PDT
I seriously doubt Hillary will bring out any new voters to the fold...I strongly believe she would have done soo already if this was the case.
Exit polls have clearly shown that all the new voters broke in Obama's favor instead of Hillary and this means there werent this surge of new women who dont vote , coming out for Clinton.
Obama is the one who's bringing in those new voters , not Hillary.
Again , she's not showing any appeal outside of the democratic base...Women who supports her are rank-and file...Women who dont bother voting probably dont give a fuck about Hillary...Hillary is not a loved figured outside of the democratic primary anyway.
Polls have suggested Obama beats Hillary among independent/republican-women , so this tells you a lot right there.
Mnay women feels she's a power hungry bitch who stayed with her cheating spouse because of power...The only reason she has a strong shot at the presidency is because her name is "clinton"....If she was not , she would not be here.
Anyway , i seriously doubt this huge block of women who dont vote will all of a sudden come out for Hillary..If this was the case , they'd done so already.
by BlueStateLiberal on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:28:22 PM PDT
McCain, I will go out on a limb and predict Huckabee wins FL. The conservatives down there are concentrated in the northern part of the state, and that's Jeebus country...
No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:28:56 PM PDT
I saw somewhere that with Thompson out, Romney has taken the lead in FL. Please let it be Romney!!!!
by chewie333 on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:18:59 PM PDT
He won't wear well in a long campaign, would be the oldest President ever elected in a change year, and is a Warmonger, among other problems.
In a year when the electorate is desperate for Change, Obama would offer a striking--and uplifting--contrast. He'd murderize him!!!
by serrano on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 03:32:02 PM PDT
that Obama won't be shit upon by the full force of the GOP slime-bots. Do the misty-eyed mooncalves studiously licking Obama's feet remember the distinguished, honorable war-hero who was our standard bearer last time out...because my recollection is that 51% of Americans thought he was a pandering, wishy-washy, spoiled coward who was too full of "book-learnin'". The only reason more people don't hate Obama is because he hasn't had one shot -- NOT ONE -- fired at him from the right....YET.
You groupies are in for a hard fall (and by that I mean crash to earth AND autumn) if you don't wake up and smell the bong-water. You should still vote for the guy if you like his style and politics, but don't be an idiot and think he's bulletproof, I guarantee his negatives will be every bit as high as hers come November.
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by PBJ Diddy on Wed Jan 23, 2008 at 04:59:54 PM PDT
wide narrow
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