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now that DK has become so famous, there are RW folks joining just to troll. It's inevitable, and usually they out themselves pretty fast. (There was one yesterday sneering about "all you libs and Dems," which seemed pretty obvious.
I guess it could be planned as part of a bigger conspiracy, but that's not what it looks like to me.
by JoeW on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:11:35 AM PDT
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infiltration by communist splinter groups.
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious...that you've got to put your bodies on the gears...and make it stop. -- Mario Savio
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:13:26 AM PDT
i could see American trust fund babies who fancy themselves communists and all lefier than thou and etc.
but real ones? hahahahahaha!
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:17:05 AM PDT
leftier
::dives into coffee pot headfirst::
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:17:54 AM PDT
communists. I believe in many socialist concepts but not when they cross the line of anarchy or militant fanatical actions.
"Time is for careful people, not passionate ones"
by roseeriter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:19:10 AM PDT
would more likely be from our own government or its toadies. What do alienated leftists have to gain by our demise? We're trying to hold the line against fascism, which I would think they'd agree with, at least.
by marina on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:41:17 AM PDT
old left philosphy posted here, have you? What I've been seeing is people who sound like Republicans and argue against socialism.
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:19:56 AM PDT
a Revolution of sorts and there may be some spouting old left philosophy or new left Democrat stuff. I've seen quite a bit of that lately.
by roseeriter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:22:45 AM PDT
"I can't be part of a famous hippie commune. I have a career to think about" - Candy Crowley, 1973
by MadCityRag on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:25:38 AM PDT
but I got a splinter in my finger recently.
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:45:25 AM PDT
Be the change you want to see in the world.
by empathy on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:26:39 AM PDT
it's a PFFer and MCatter. it's gotten very boring at those sites, so they need to come here and kick up some sand so they have something to bond over again.
must be nice to have that little to do. ::sigh:: well, maybe not.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:30:58 AM PDT
by roseeriter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:36:21 AM PDT
he's - or is it she's? - far from a commie or an anarcho-syndicalist or whatever.
he's just a PFFer slash Mcatter. they get their stripes by posting at dKos so they have something to write about.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:38:24 AM PDT
someone is coming from. What I see though is a lot of piling on from even some regular diarists who don't do their own research etc., And that concerns me. You know the spreading of right wing memes etc.,
by roseeriter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:43:09 AM PDT
my own response, because you can't reason with them, is to cut them off my list of potentially informative reading. iow, they have absolutely no credibility with me whatsoever, and i just assume everything they write is colored by their own - whatever.
they remind me of my dad when he began getting dementia from kidney failure and heart disease. sound just like him.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:49:07 AM PDT
There are certain users now that I simply ignore--diaries and comments. I wish we had an "ignore" button, so I didn't even have to see their names anymore. I don't like feeling that way, because I tend to try to keep an open mind and make every effort to look at both sides. But I've been slapped down too many times at this point.
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 06:00:40 AM PDT
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:56:52 AM PDT
I guess I'm reading different diaries than you are. I've been seeing so much right wing stuff here that I find it disturbing. I'm just hoping it will end at some point.
You also seem to be drawing some kind of connection to Edwards. Again, specificity would help. What about some specific examples comments/diaries you question--with names removed, of course.
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:44:05 AM PDT
personally with identity and gender crap all the time and what bothers me is the complacency of some there who just let these off the wall comments slide by. And that maybe some don't care who is speaking or supporting their candidate and will take it from whoever which is precisely why I've had such a hard time actually hearing Edwards real message but because of the personal attacks have been so turned off by him.
And because I have been made to feel defensive, which takes a lot, I have been curious as to what is going on.
In the article I have diaried about the guy pretty much decides to go with Edwards as the lesser of the Democrat evils and if you check his site, it became apparent to me that within the Edwards stuff is where they will spout their stuff.
At any rate, it makes me feel more positive toward Edwards, now concluding for myself that much of the hateful comments in the Edwards diaries are not coming from real Democrats.
Does that make sense?
by roseeriter on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:52:26 AM PDT
which i can't tell because of the margins, i'm actually more an Edwards supporter than anything.
but if you're looking for examples, check the recent diary list entitled you poor dears. he's a PFFer and MCatter. also some recent comments to kos himself - straight off the front page of PFF. exact quotes.
they're just trying to get something to talk about over there.
the rest, tho - pseudointellectualism, Starbucks variety? that's actually a complaint (which i've found pretty valid :D) against a certain other candidate - it was expressed that way to me by someone else not even at dKos, but a Dem, but i've heard similar complaints from people. and they have certainly held up in my experience.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:53:49 AM PDT
guidance. I stayed out of candidate diaries until fairly recently, and I still don't read that many and when it starts to get ugly, I tend to check out.
I support Edwards too at this point, but I recognize he won't get the nomination, so I'm trying to maintain an open mind on the other two candidates.
What has bothered me most has been the really shocking stuff written about Hillary by Obama supporters. What I've seen from many Obama supporters has made it really hard for me to be open to what he says. But I'm trying. I even went out and bought his book to see if that would help me.
by Boston Boomer on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:50:26 AM PDT
are something we always must look out for. They are a fact, not a part of a conspiracy theory. We have a real conspiracy going on here.
by marina on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:44:25 AM PDT
what i'm talking about is the pseudo-intellectualism (Starbucks variety) which springs from a life of relative comfort and indulgence. i don't think people like that would know Left if it walked up to them and introduced itself.
as for rethug stuff and tactics, oh yea. especially from people i'm deeming emotionally and intellectually on the level of teenagers. very immature. and acting like freepers and spouting the same rhetoric as freepers.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:29:39 AM PDT
seen intruding into the non-candidate threads are indeed too young to vote.
I stay out of clear candidate food fights. What is irritating is to enter another subject area and finding the fight is spilling out of the play pen.
The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]
by pelagicray on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 07:37:35 AM PDT
...infiltration by everyone and their mother.
It's not exactly difficult to post on the site. You register, you log into the site, you post.
Once you're in, you can hack away. I don't mean 'hack' in the computer sense ...I mean 'socially hack'. To borrow the words of Depeche Mode:
You can't change the world But you can change the facts And when you change the facts You change points of view If you change points of view You may change a vote And when you change a vote You may change the world.
All it takes for someone to 'change the facts' is throw enough shit until some of it sticks. The truth gets buried, lies become the truth, and most people don't have the inclination to burrow deep into every issue they come across to find out the truth.
And throwing shit is as easy as posting attack diaries and stirring things up in the Comment sections.
The surest way to cut through it is by knowing just how much of what we're seeing is just your Average Joe or Josephine posting on their lunch break ...and how much is an intern, working for Candidate X, getting the word out by fair means or foul.
The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)
by ShawnGBR on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:20:46 AM PDT
... quite a few teenagers if not in age, then in emotional and intellectual maturity - and people who are homebound for whatever reason with nothing better to do and a shitload of resentment to spew.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:15:17 AM PDT
by burrow owl on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:20:59 AM PDT
I'm in my pajamas right now.
by JoeW on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:23:24 AM PDT
i mean, it is 6 am here.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:25:14 AM PDT
You're on to me.
by JoeW on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:32:51 AM PDT
You have pajamas?
Peace
by willb48 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:54:07 AM PDT
To be home-bound is not necessarily to be resentful. Some of us can't go out on a regular basis.
By the way, I'm still pulling for Biden. So, I may be a tiny bit resentful, but it has nothing to do with being disabled.
by willb48 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 05:52:16 AM PDT
... the homebound AND resentful. i know homebound people who are anything but resentful.
by Runs With Scissors on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 04:10:56 PM PDT
wide narrow
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