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  •  Jews are implicated (0+ / 0-)

    in the actions of the Jewish State.

    That is the entirety of Gandhi's message, and it is true.

    •  All Jews everywhere are implicated (2+ / 0-)

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      in the actions of the Jewish State?

      So you support the acts of 'resistance' against the JCC in Washington or the JCC in Argentina.

      How did I live without him?

      by Pumpkinlove on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 04:21:57 AM PDT

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    •  as are you implicated (1+ / 0-)

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      in the actions of your state.

    •  re: Jews are implicated (5+ / 0-)

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      livosh1, JPhurst, word is bond, wxlr, Skandal

      How intrepid of you to defy the Diabolical Zionist Machine and hold all Jews responsible for the genocide being committed against the starving Palestinians who storm into Egypt to buy motorcycles and cigarettes but not food.

      Yet why did you refuse to itemize? By not naming names you allow some of the Hebrews (past and present) whom you hold in such contempt to escape responsibility.

      Here are just some of the culprits: Jackie Mason, Sandy Koufax, Harry Houdini, Barbra Streisand, Charles Schumer, Blue Oyster Cult, Wynona Ryder, the guys who created Superman, Pauly Shore, Dinah Shore (related to Pauly only by their shared complicity in murdering Gaza tots), Jerry Seinfeld, Howard Stern, David Berkowitz, Kinky Friedman, The Three Stooges, my newborn nephew Joshua, Yaphet Kotto, Dr. Joyce Brothers, Elaine Boozler, Moses, Rabbi Michael Lerner, bikini model Cindy Margolis, Dolph Schayes, the kindergarten Torah class at Temple Beth Israel/Philadelphia, Annie Liebowitz, Lenny Kravitz...

      The entire list literally includes millions and millions of culpable Jews who must be held accountable for every Israeli action. This sampling is just a push start for you and the other anti-"Zionists" who grace this site, litho. You will be able to complete the litany after they release you from the psychiatric facility.  

    •  "implicated" is a weaselword (0+ / 0-)

      It is not only vague, but it can be based not on a person's own actions, but the viewpoint of others: a person becomes implicated because someone (not necessarily themselves) implicates them, fairly or not.

      And beyond that, when you say "Jews are implicated" do you mean "some Jews" or "all Jews"? If you mean "some Jews", your statement is so self-evident as to be meaningless. If you mean "all Jews", then I have to ask whether all Jews aren't equally "implicated" in the Jewish and Jewish-Palestinian organizations whose actions and policies you approve.

      Next, we would have to get to the question of who is Jewish enough to be "implicated". Does one have to be religiously observant, culturally identified, or merely Jewish by descent (and then in what percent  matrilineally, patrilineally, or both)? Can one who is Jewish by descent cleanse oneself of the taint of "implication", and if so, what does it take?

      (On the latter point, I would say that anyone who feels burdened by his or her Jewish identity in view of the experience of the Palestinian people, but who has written extensively and passionately on behalf of the Palestinian cause, ought to consider him/her guilt by implication to have been expunged.

      Generalizations, stereotypes and lack of empathy will never lead to wisdom, understanding, non-violence or peace. That is true for Arun Gandhi (who seems to have acknowledged it) and for every Kossack who engages in that kind of "thinking" on any side of any issue.

      Democrats: Members of the Democratic Party working to advance democracy; Republicons: Members of the Republicanist Party working to advance Republicanism

      by word is bond on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 02:24:23 PM PDT

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      •  Israel claims to be (1+ / 0-)

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        the "Jewish" State.

        That claim implicates all Jews in its actions.

        •  Yes, and no (0+ / 0-)

          Israel is the Jewish state. If there were more Jewish states, Israel would be one of the Jewish states.

          But as I noted above, "implicate" is a weaselword. It is so ambiguous and elastic that it can apply to almost any relationship. Your use of it is a fudge.

          The people who are "implicated" by Israel's actions are its citizens, or at least those citizens who supported the government that took those actions.

          The People's Republic of China and the Republic of China (Taiwan) both claim to be the Chinese state. Do their (often incompatible) actions "implicate" all overseas Chinese, or all Americans of Chinese descent? Of course not.

          Nevertheless, we are asked to believe that any right-thinking person lays a guilt trip on every Jew in the world because of Israel's actions. It follows, we are told, that any Jew who disapproves of those actions has "a duty to do [his/her] best to prevent it from committing oppression". Other diarists have provided information on a large number of organizations in which Jews, or Jews and Palestinians working together, are doing their best to change Israel's actions. Compared to them, the sterile squabbling over I/P diaries by a handful of dKos regulars is hardly a significant contribution.

          Since you are likely to insist on having the last word, let me leave you with a question. I have never believed that all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic, but now you make me wonder:

          If all Jews are implicated by Israel's actions, isn't criticism of Israel's actions a criticism of all Jews?

          Democrats: Members of the Democratic Party working to advance democracy; Republicons: Members of the Republicanist Party working to advance Republicanism

          by word is bond on Sun Jan 27, 2008 at 06:34:42 PM PDT

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