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by SusanHu on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 11:58:36 AM PDT
what does Shuster and MSNBC need to do make amends for the mistake?
This is not snark.
In my opinion, the suspension was both warranted and equitable. Do the Clinton's want more? If they want firings, who do they want fired? Shuster for one stupid comment, or Matthews for his litany of crap? If this is about Matthews, come out and say it - say that they want Matthews fired. It will never happen, but at least be upfront about it. Matthews will not be fired and the Clintons won't try open warfare with Matthews, because they might need to get free airtime on his show and he has too much juice.
If this was about anything other than political opportunity, it would have been over after a news cycle. It also would've been over if the HRC campaign was flying high instead of reeling from a string of defeats.
by JohnnyAppleseed on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:16:23 PM PDT
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Cover Chelsea's latest speech. Chlsea answered questions from the press. It's a tie, now, no harm no foul. Let's give it up.
by YoursTruly on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:19:43 PM PDT
...when Clinton gave a nod and a wink to the methodical destruction of the rest of the field in the summer and fall?
"It's a race to decide who the British goverment will follow blindly for the next 4 years" Kennedy/Kerry '08
by Salo on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:32:16 PM PDT
Clinton supporter (previously Edwards), I thank you for articulating so well my conclusion about the real source of Clinton-hate.
For months, I could not understand why so many seemingly progressive people spent their time repeating Republican themes from the "90s. I finally realized that there are many people who have come of age hearing only aboput the fake "scandals". They have no way of knowing that every singfle one in which Hillary was supposedly involved has been found to have no basis except fevered Republican imaginations.
by seeker on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:33:45 PM PDT
Some of us out here in progressive land just aren't getting past AUMF and Kyl-Lieberman. That's everything to me.
No doubt, Republicans and some independents dislike HRC for the reasons stated. But even some of this hate from the right is due to HRC trying to take on health care reform and other issues during the Clinton Presidency. Now right wingers hated Bill to be sure, but they hated HRC more because she was unelected and she was involving herself in policy.
by JohnnyAppleseed on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:43:07 PM PDT
I defended the Clintons in WH, but I am pissed about NAFTA, media consolidation, welfare & not corporate reform, and many of the policies Bill personally worked to pass. I also believe that Monica was a plant, and he was easy and stupid. HE is why I don't want Hillary to be President. If she would repudiate some of what he did, I would feel much better about her.
Since the choice is now Clinton, Obama, and John McCain, I find not a dimes worth of difference between them on many policies that I care about deeply.
I agree that the Clintons have been broiled, boiled, and skewered by the media. However, I think "pimping" in this context needs to be defined as "promoting", the same way we "pimp" diaries on this site. Since it is new vernacular, I think it was appropriate for it to be explained and any misconceptions apologized for - but .....
If I had a choice between Hillary and Obama, I would still take Hillary over him anyday.
Republicans don't have 60 votes, and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.
by dkmich on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:51:14 PM PDT
by Salo on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:58:23 PM PDT
UHC?
by dkmich on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:06:56 PM PDT
by seeker on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:21:11 PM PDT
There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious...that you've got to put your bodies on the gears...and make it stop. -- Mario Savio
by Boston Boomer on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 04:24:21 PM PDT
the 50 state strategy. It's the DLC, "centrism" and consultants. Oh, the consultants.
by Tulip on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 01:22:21 PM PDT
The southern christians thought Bill was their Great White Hope because of his baptist church going and were impressed by his political savvy, charisma etc., and supported his political rise until they found out he and Hillary were Pro-Choice. That was a Betrayal of great magnitude and the abortion issue was the new big christian mantra back then that the christian/republican group got momentum from. The rest is christian coalition/republican smear history.
"Time is for careful people, not passionate ones"
by roseeriter on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 12:34:14 PM PDT
The Clinton witch hunt started before he ran for President.
by Boston Boomer on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 04:25:18 PM PDT
started in earnest in 1988 or 1989 with the white supremicist Justice Jim Johnson's attacks on Bill.
John McCain, 100 years in Iraq "fine with me"
by taylormattd on Mon Feb 11, 2008 at 05:20:01 PM PDT
wide narrow
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