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Is a more powerful platform than VP.
Harry has got to go!
This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.
by Mr X on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:35:46 PM PDT
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can you imagine a democrat with an actual spine in leadership of the senate...?
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by RSA TX on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:38:22 PM PDT
is not the problem. Harry Reid has a spine. He's doing a fine job of getting what he wants.
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by Sagebrush Bob on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:53:16 PM PDT
I recall high school and reading the Canterbury Tales: The Pardoner's Tale.
First he tells you how he's going to fleece you, then he fleeces you, then he explains how he fleeced you.
Harry Reid is and has been a sham from day 1. When and how do such votes for Majority Leader take place? Is there a process for ousting Reid?
Wait I forgot. As so many here have reminded constantly, the Dem senators are not going to remove him. Time and time again they demonstrate they are perfectly fine with him.
We do not have leaders representing progressive America. You know, I am reminded of "No Taxation Without Representation". Where's Ours?
I live in one of the most liberal cities in the entire world, SF, and it's home to Pelosi and Feinstein. Is that not pathetic? And remember this as well: The entire ATT spying operation was discovered where, of all places? In the heart of San Francisco.. pelosi and Feinstein turf.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it, hmm, wonder if they were actually consulted and they gave their approval by having no disapproval of this entire NSA spy operation -- in the most liberal American City. Hmph, how bout that.
_ it's now a fight to the finish>> Dean progressives v. Clinton centrists.
by rhfactor on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 08:55:39 PM PDT
But today, Fuck Harry Reid. And the horse he rode in on.
Many people did not care for Pat Buchanan's speech; it probably sounded better in the original German."
by Flippant on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 02:02:08 PM PDT
http://www.fuckyoureid.com
Any ideas?
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by fatbyjhnsn on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 02:10:32 PM PDT
Hi Jason, I'd just let it lapse...
by Great Uncle Bulgaria on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 02:54:12 PM PDT
But yeah, might let it lapse...
by fatbyjhnsn on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 03:12:39 PM PDT
No I can't imagine anything of the sort. Sad isn't it??
Random chance suggests that sometime some Dems are going to stand for something. If or when that happens, I hope someone is left who notices.
by keepinon on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 02:08:06 PM PDT
The way Harry Reid has pretended to be against telcom amnesty while singlehandedly making it inevitable with his choice of underlying bill just makes me sick.
by UU VIEW on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 12:47:36 PM PDT
Check the roll call.
Yes, I thought I needed new glasses, too. He voted with Dodd.
Reid actually voted with Dodd. It bears repeating:
Reid voted with Dodd to strike the amnesty provision from the bill.
Maybe his support was too little, too late, but that's the way he voted. Much as I can't believe my eyes.
by unwillingsuburbanite on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 04:51:04 PM PDT
The Judiciary Committee version of the bill had no telecom immunity. Reid used his power as floor leader to bring the disgusting Intelligence Committee bill to the floor. It was congressional disingenuousness at its worst.
Reid has been an utter disgrace.
by Big River Bandido on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 05:31:02 PM PDT
My bad. I don't know enough of the history of the process.
by unwillingsuburbanite on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:20:52 PM PDT
you are part of the progressive crowd. If YOU didn't know, then establishment Dems sure don't pay attention, then beyond that layer, ordinary Americans watching the evening news? They don't have the first clue about all those machiavellian machinations that control the fate of legislation in America.
just sayin --- This happens in broad daylight, and lah-dee-dah, America by and large has no earthly idea what just went on today.
by rhfactor on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 08:59:19 PM PDT
by Big River Bandido on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 10:14:54 PM PDT
I was even paying some (though limited) attention to this issue.
Part of the trouble is that so much of legislating involves so many arcane rules and practices that even someone like me (master's degree, liberal arts education, reads news, reads news blogs) has a hard time following what the hell is going on.
I'm sure most Americans think it just boils down to who voted how on what, and I'm sure most legislators want it to stay that way; that way, they can run on their "record," as no doubt Harry Reid will. (During an election, what opponent would try to explain "cloture?")
The trouble is that politics is a specialty, with a specialized, arcane language. How can ordinary citizens, armed with little more than a joke of a 7th-grade civics course, expect to follow what goes on? I've even been paying attention.
Thank you all for continuing to interpret and disseminate, and keep an eye on these people.
by unwillingsuburbanite on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 06:02:46 AM PDT
what a careful watch we must keep on the hacks in the Democratic Senate caucus. They'll whisper "I love you, I love you", but all the while they're thinking "fuck you, fuck you".
by Big River Bandido on Wed Feb 13, 2008 at 01:30:23 AM PDT
That's 71 rec's. 71 of you don't check sources. Go look at the roll call.
I didn't believe my eyes, either. But there it is: Reid voted against amnesty.
by unwillingsuburbanite on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 05:00:20 PM PDT
and used his power as majority leader to vote another. Guess which method had more power and influence?
by Big River Bandido on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 05:31:38 PM PDT
lets talk it up. lets make it happen. Sen Dodd wanted the position last time. Lets make sure he gets it next congressional session. Imagine Obama in the white house and dodd as majority leader. you want change? this combination will give us an FDR revolution. SEN. DODD FOR MAJORITY LEADER!
by windwardguy46 on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 06:34:44 PM PDT
knows the rules and procedures actually walk through the process for us -- so that maybe instead of talking up Dodd in an Orange blog, we could instead leverage our power as hundreds of thousands of citizens -- and do something more directly meaningful that would put this cause into motion.
I know KagroX would know what the rules are and how one works the rules to potentially let that be so.
It would be nice if we could actually parlay our sentiments into an actionable plan.
Anyone happen to notice how a group called Anonymous is actually doing something more than emailing their representatives about the Cult Church of Scientology. It's a massive effort -- way beyond keyboard tapping.
but it starts with an actual gameplan. I don;t know that system. but someone here does.
by rhfactor on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:04:48 PM PDT
majority leader. It's an insider caucus thing. I've heard aides say that's the only decision they won't advise their boss on.
by fatbyjhnsn on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:12:20 PM PDT
I appreciate the answer....
by rhfactor on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 09:33:16 PM PDT
Senator Dodd as Majority Leader, Senator Reid holds that position and doesn't seem willing to let go any time soon. Also, if Senator Obama wins the White House, he will need Senator Clinton's active support to get it. What greater motivator for her than supporting her bid for Majority Leader? Great plan, if Harry goes along with it!
For every difficult question, there is an answer that is simple, easily understood and wrong.--H.L. Mencken
by The Totalizer on Tue Feb 12, 2008 at 11:05:52 PM PDT
wide narrow
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