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as an original Obama supporter.
However, I feel that most of the current cycle is concentrating on personality and leadership with the voters and caucus-goers. Which is why Sen. Clinton's Plan B includes the negative touch, to attempt kicking Obama's winning public persona at the knees from a sudden, surprise move. It's not working, though - unfortunately, I think more people are looking at her demeanour from her attempts to create emotional conflicts at Sen. Obama's expense.
I could be very wrong, though. Maybe folks from Ohio are not buying into the personality issues at this point. I just tend to doubt it at this stage.
Good diary.
"So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."
by wader on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 08:43:29 PM PDT
People here and in Ohio next door aren't into persona, rather than facts. It's the details we want to hear, because when the newness and the mesmerizing effects of words on some, wear off we are still stuck with factories shutting down, the loss of jobs, and hard times. So far, the people I have been talking to have faith in Hillary's abilities and plans, and aren't that impressed with Obama. They don't even know what they are getting into with Obama. Some states can afford to be lofty and get carried away by "charisma", we don't have that luxury.
by hopscotch1997 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 08:56:12 PM PDT
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Maybe I'm for Hillary for a lot of the same reasons you mentioned Hopschotch1997 ;o)
A sort of the "where's the beef" sort of a thing.
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by Alegre on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 08:58:37 PM PDT
beef.
If your fellow residents of Pennsylvania (where I went to college, btw) and Ohio are more into the facts behind each candidate, then I suspect they'll want to know where each wants to go with their respective policies as President.
For Sen. Obama, that's summarized in the link above. If upcoming voters and caucus-goers are not impressed with the personality wars by this point, then good for them. I'm skeptical, though - so much of voting is about impressions, rather than objective research. And, at this later juncture, we're mostly seeing personality being reported. It's also why Sen. Clinton keeps hitting harder at Sen. Obama's personality, IMHO.
Your own expression seems interestingly similar to the Clinton campaign position that Obama talks well but has little substance. It actually sounds more like an impression to me than otherwise. Again, I offered the link above to be helpful about facts.
Still, you might consider that they both have substance, with similarities and differences. Both have policy directions and statements made on websites, offered in debates and pushed locally at many stops around the country.
How effective either would be in getting those things through Congress. the State Department, the military, foreign officials, etc. is a matter of organization and personality. For me, I know who's winning in those areas.
by wader on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:09:41 PM PDT
by hopscotch1997 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:23:45 PM PDT
needs well-rounded diet. Might want to look into your daily intake of facts.
by wader on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:26:45 PM PDT
who has worked across party lines, so even there she has mojo, he may have a beef with that?
Hillary - Alternative Energy
by anna shane on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 09:45:54 AM PDT
But it will take more than that to move a bureaucracy.
Another proud Clintonista opposing John McCain.
by psychodrew on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:26:35 PM PDT
and that's why elections are not the same as running the Executive branch.
I try to be accepting that Sen. Clinton's absolutely horrendous campaign is partly caused by her poor consultants, even though it was her choice to hire these people (well, in theory). My feeling is that they would not be the same people to help her with organizing the days, weeks, months, policy meetings, agendas, etc. as a President. They're just hit-men for a campaign.
But, you've got to wonder about how her choices here also reflect on her ability to be organized and effective in the office as President. I still feel she'd be OK, but not much impression beyond that. Even though I'm fine with most of her policy planks (and, more fine with Sen. Obama's).
By contrast, he's shown nothing but stellar organizational skills in Congress and in this campaign. Just makes my choice, based on facts and apparent leadership skills, easier to make.
by wader on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:31:05 PM PDT
wide narrow
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