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As to Michelle's pride thing, again, separate pride of country from love of country. Example: "I've always loved my country, there's not a day goes by that I don't love my country. But, like Michelle, I've seen my country do things I'm not proud of. We love our children, but their are days when we are not proud of them. If we can't understand that distinction, how can be begin to correct it?"
As to Michelle's pride thing, again, separate pride of country from love of country.
Example:
"I've always loved my country, there's not a day goes by that I don't love my country. But, like Michelle, I've seen my country do things I'm not proud of. We love our children, but their are days when we are not proud of them. If we can't understand that distinction, how can be begin to correct it?"
It would almost be worth it to lose the presidency to watch the shit storm that this would kick up.
Unfortunately it wouldn't last very long. Obama would either be hounded out of the race or would lose worse than McGovern did.
by chike on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:12:13 PM PDT
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candidate to say this country has done some things he isn't proud of...
the suspension of habeas corpus? extraordinary rendition? torture? illegal wars and invasions?
WTF? If a president can't say something this fucking obvious then we don't live in a democracy. We live in some spin off delusional land filled with jack ass spin doctors, political operatives and apparatchiks, worthy of the late and not so great Soviet Union.
Dude, if what you say is true, it's not time to keep our head down.
It's time for a fucking revolution.
by DelicateMonster on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 06:56:46 PM PDT
No one expects you to be proud of everything - I don't think anyone, right or left, was proud of Bill Clinton and the stained dress.
But don't talk about what you are not proud of... talk about what you are proud of.
If you can't keep going on that stuff until your listener falls asleep you aren't qualified to be president.
WTF? If a president can't say something this fucking obvious then we don't live in a democracy. We live in some spin off delusional land filled with jack ass spin doctors, political operatives and apparatchiks, worthy of the late and not so great Soviet Union. Dude, if what you say is true, it's not time to keep our head down. It's time for a fucking revolution.
A revolution against the majority of the people who disagree with you?
Hello Mr. Fascist.
by chike on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 08:56:38 PM PDT
that takes pride in: the suspension of habeas corpus? extraordinary rendition? torture? illegal wars and invasions?
Or refuses to note that it is not exactly an honorable mark on our country that we participate in this kind of behavior? Really?
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And this is some kind of idiotic joke, right?
our noble failed attempt in Vietnam
Ha, fucking ha. You and Will Marshall need to form a wanking club together. He's the only other 'Democrat ' I know stupid enough to swallow that bit of intellecutal masturbation and smile.
And you call me a fascists because I happen to think we ought to be denouncing this kind of behavior, not admiring it?
Pot meet black meet Kettle. Hello, Good German.
by DelicateMonster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:53:54 AM PDT
Then the election will be between McCain and Nader.
Enjoy.
by chike on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:11:30 AM PDT
...comes from the progress our like-minded fellow American advanced. As for your grasp of history, feeble as ever...
“In a democracy, after 100 years you have to let your slaves go. And after 150 years, you have to let your women vote.” --Kurt Vonnegut
"He may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch." --FDR
Your beliefs perpetuate the "they hate us for our freedom" meme that led to this disastrous diagnosis and cure now being carried out in Iraq. Because we have done so much good in the world, it must mean we could never do any evil.
To call Bush a lying sack of shit would be to slander idle bags of fertilizer.
by turdraker on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:21:27 AM PDT
wide narrow
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