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that it might be a gamble to draw attention to it. I think most voters that are up for grabs dismiss the Muslim stuff as the crank garbage it is.
by burrow owl on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:39:14 AM PDT
I saw Obama interviewed ( I think on 60 Minutes ) and he talk about religion alot and I didn't hear anything "outside the mainstream" and I too have been wondering why he doesn't attack these rumors more forthrightly.
Republican't Leadership is a dangerous combination of cut-backs and incompetence.
by casamurphy on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:51:28 AM PDT
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mainstream. It's a fascinating theology, but empirically it's outside of the mainstream.
by burrow owl on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:55:49 AM PDT
His "faith" is mainstream Protestant.
by Mother of Zeus on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:03:08 AM PDT
They have a "non-negotiable commitment to Africa". I understand that people with simplistic views can misunderstand what that means, but there has to be a really effective way to explain it. For example, I've looked at their website, clicked on all the options, and from what I can tell, it simply means that they contribute to aid for Africa and they teach African heritage classes to the youth in the community. Let me add, they don't teach the African heritage classes to all the youth in the church, they're like optional after school type classes. I find his church to be fairly spiritually uplifting, regardless of denomination or the ethnic tone.
Disclaimer: I'm an agnostic, born to Jewish parents, who likes what Jesus had to say...
Montesquieu and Locke are rolling in their graves right now...
by Mannabass on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:10:55 AM PDT
We also have churches that still hold some services in German. When they came to America, they often found that the Lutheran church with its top-down hierarchy would not allow them any German liturgy. Thus the German Congregational Church was born when the Congregational Church's more inclusive congregational polity allowed them to continue their own ways of worship. (The Congregational Church was one of the denominations that merged to become the UCC in the 1950s, some of which were German Reformed, that is Germans who were already Calvinists.)
I really don't see Trinity's African focus as being all that different. It's a predominantly African-American church! I actually rather honor their commitment to Africa.
"No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." --MLK
by Progressive Witness on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:59:57 AM PDT
by Mannabass on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 01:19:05 PM PDT
If you'd prefer to say that it's a "mainstream protestant" church that just happens to use the language of lib theo, it doesn't matter to me.
by burrow owl on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:07:09 PM PDT
a "faith." It's more of a philosophical orientation, or at least that is how I've thought of it, a way of applying faith in a given social context.
I mean, as far as the faith tenets - God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, Baptism, the Sacraments - it's all pretty standard fare.
by Mother of Zeus on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:24:35 PM PDT
Either discuss honestly or don't at all.
by burrow owl on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:46:58 PM PDT
Bye now.
by Mother of Zeus on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:57:09 PM PDT
background research on Obama's faith if you believe that. I highly recommend starting with this.
I also highly recommend sharing this video with others.
by Mother of Zeus on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:55:04 AM PDT
I will listen to everything the lady has to say. But the "attends Barack Obama's church" says it all. I mean you get how meanless that is right?
by webranding on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:59:09 AM PDT
I honestly do not know what you are trying to say.
by Mother of Zeus on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:03:51 AM PDT
by Mannabass on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:11:31 AM PDT
Your comment is unintelligable.
"...this nation is more than the sum of its parts ..." Barack Obama-18 March,2008
by Inventor on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:22:29 AM PDT
wide narrow
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