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  •  I'm proud to say (0+ / 0-)

    that I probably vote for the Democratic ticket if Clinton is on it.  Period.  I support Obama, but if Clinton is VP, then I will be unable to vote for the ticket.

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:48:20 AM PDT

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    •  I'm glad we agree there. (0+ / 0-)

      We disagree on Florida, though. I'm probably still going to vote Obama or Clinton.

      If they're smart, they'll replace that "or" with a slash.

      "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

      by jwalker13 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:50:23 AM PDT

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      •  We strongly disagree actually (0+ / 0-)

        I said that I won't vote for the ticket if Clinton is on it.  Even if it is Obama/Clinton.

        John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

        by IhateBush on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:52:25 AM PDT

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        •  Oh, ok. Then I strongly disagree with you. (1+ / 0-)

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          Though your post reads:

          that I probably vote for the Democratic ticket if Clinton is on it.

          I'll vote for both of them. They both have great ideas. I just happen to favor Clinton's right now. If she should lose, it's a brilliant move for Obama/Clinton. Should she win, it's a brilliant move for Clinton/Obama.

          I don't support just one candidate, but I do support good ideas and good plans.

          "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

          by jwalker13 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:55:58 AM PDT

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          •  I don't support one candidate (0+ / 0-)

            but I do strongly oppose bad ones.  Those like Joe W Lieberbush, or those who run Karl Rove/Mark Penn campaigns.

            The fact that Hillary Clinton could never fire a degenerate creature like Mark Penn to me suggests that she doesn't have the judgment to be in public office.

            In comparison, Al Gore fired him within 2 weeks.

            John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

            by IhateBush on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:00:34 AM PDT

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            •  I won't presume to know why she hasn't. (0+ / 0-)

              I'm not given information about her decisions. Penn is, indeed, an idiot.

              I refuse, however, to think this reflects on her judgment as a whole. All of us have made bad decisions.

              Obama (do NOT attack me here) made a horrible decision in his youth with drugs. Does that mean his decision is always destroyed? I cannot say "No!" loud enough. He grows. He changes. He learns.

              The same holds true for Clinton, regardless of Penn's employment.

              And this is nothing like Rove's black baby, gay McCain calls. This doesn't even begin to touch the top layer of that Rove tactic.

              "Without alienation, there can be no politics" ~ Arthur Miller

              by jwalker13 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:04:59 AM PDT

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              •  The distinction being. (0+ / 0-)

                A "mistake" in the past versus an ongoing real time fully supported "mistake".  Frankly, I care less about the mistake in the past IF that is a mistake that leads to learning.

                I also put a little more weight around a "mistake" that directly impacts the core of the job - how one chooses their staff is pretty important in my eyes.  Not that I expect perfection but I expect a candidate to recognize the obvious and to be able to state - that is a mistake now it is time to correct.  Hasn't happened with the Clinton campaign.  

                "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

                by newfie on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 07:26:08 AM PDT

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