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by Alegre on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:49:57 PM PDT
but you do realize Alegre (one "l") that you're going to have to be putting out similar diaries in favor of Obama starting a week from now? We're gonna need you!
;) here's a tip for you! (not HRC)
by pooh74 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:55:19 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
But don't go counin' your chickens before their hatched dearheart :)
by Alegre on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:57:32 PM PDT
but just for future reference, it's "they're." I don't want those Obama diaries to have grammatical errors.
;-)
by pooh74 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:03:12 PM PDT
I've been so tired of his basing his message on smearing her and then using her plans and even some of her words to describe them. Don't get me wrong, if he's the nom I'lll want him to steal everything and it's clever of him, shows cunning, something i've always considered a form of intelligence, still, it's depressing. Thanks for going to the trouble of documenting it. This should be on the news, but of course it won't be. Too fair and even handed for that. Not any Hillary hate, so it won't sell erectile dysfunction medicine on CSNBC. I wish I could boycott their advertisers but I don't purchase their products.
Hillary - Alternative Energy
by anna shane on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:03:36 PM PDT
hammered him pretty good about it tonight. The subcommittee thing that is.
I was born a millworker's daughter.....
by cackyp on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:13:03 PM PDT
Hillary...reject him! Reject him!
Hillary Clinton - "Damn the voters! Fool speed ahead!"
by CanAm on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:37:50 PM PDT
but he has the ear of a lot of so-called independents.
by cackyp on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:02:27 AM PDT
But the chickens are hatched, raised, slaughtered, cooked, eaten, and now flowing through the sewer system.
It's over.
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right." - Salvor Hardin
by Zackpunk on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:07:49 PM PDT
that part is a bit colorful
"Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz
by RBH on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:35 PM PDT
She's still ahead in Ohio polls, PA polls, and tied in Texas- doesn't sound like anything is over to me... oh yeah, and she leads in superdelegates..
not bad (for Senator Clinton).
"Be the change that you want to see in the world."- Gandhi
by hopefulcanadian on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:21:09 PM PDT
She has to win over 60% of the remaining pledged delegates to win this. (Unless you're suggesting that the super delegates are going to all flock to her, even if she loses the popular vote, which is so ridiculous, it's not even worth commenting on.)
Of course, if you're really convinced she still has a shot, I'm perfectly opening to making it interesting. I'll give you good odds.
by Zackpunk on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:26:13 PM PDT
they split NH's delegates. If that's HRC's idea of success, she's not planning on being the nominee.
oh yeah, and she leads in superdelegates..
Does she? We'll see. Obama's gotten five supposed HRC supers to switch since 2/5.
"For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician--erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure"-Newsweek.
by Inland on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:26:15 PM PDT
be extremely destructive to the party and the nation.
And she doesn't have a snowball's chance in H*LL of winning my state. Obama does.
Think of how all of the new young Democrats will respond when their vote has essentially been ignored because of some "supers" in a backroom deal.
Think 1968 in Chicago.
A very bad scene.
Happy little moron, Lucky little man.I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!-Spike Milligan
by polecat on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:55:15 PM PDT
Will you vote for the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it is, in November?
At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollup, you c*nt. - Sen. John McCain
by Potus2020 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:40:01 PM PDT
I have had interesting conversations here in Ohio with dedicated Dems who are pissed as hell Have switched from initially viewing the Dem field as 2 very unique candidates to seeing Barack as just another man. Dodd's endorsement yesterday and patronizing language just reinforced the already feelings of raw anger. So much anger at the male pile-on, they are voicing much thought to just sitting out Nov election. The feeling was very much that the good ole boys don't need us...so be it I hope Obama rethinks his belief that all of Clinton's supporters will automatically support him I feel like this is being overlooked and ignored.... Also, all the hate towards Clinton over Iraq from the base...and yet the voters are more worried about the economy See the poll today where McCain beats Obama on the economy???? The general election is not going to be a cake-walk and I'm not convinced that BO knows that he might have trouble with portions of his own party.
by jbohio on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:30 PM PDT
One of the most signficant, family/woman friendly piece of legislation to come out of Congress in the last 20 years. I am a feminist from childhood in the 60s to college and law school in the 80s to raising two really awesome girls. This kind of identity politics which looks at a male politician like Dodd who has enacted great legislation for women as part of some "patronizing" pile on just because he is not endorsing the woman candidate leaves me so cold. Sorry to burst your bubble but Barack Obama is not just another man. This country was founded on the backs of African slaves and if we have an original sin, it is not sexism but racism. I get that there is still sexim in our country but if you could look outside of yourself, you would notice that girls make up at least 50% if not more of the entering classes of most colleges and professional schools. But I'm not supporting Barack Obama because I think he is the best man for the job or the best Black man. I'm supporting him because I think he is the best human for the job.
Middle Aged White Jewish Mom for Obama
by nycmom on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:34:46 PM PDT
I'm just relaying what I have heard from others... I'm well aware of Dodd's record and so are these Dems that I have been talking with...everyone is well involved with the party and aware of voting records, etc. That's why I was so intrigued by the anger, their views There's real anger...and...the turn around of viewing Barack as just another man...ole boys club I hope BO does not begin to believe all of the accolades around him and blinds himself to this anger
by jbohio on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:41:57 PM PDT
see that but I don't doubt your story.
My comment has more to do with Alegre and her diaries more than anything.
Trust me, its a candidate thing...nothing to do with gender..I've fought those demons.
by pooh74 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:42:17 PM PDT
Napolitano, Sebelius, McCaskill and Gregoire came on board. Are they they part of the 'male pile-on'?
Trust him to be president, trust him to run his campaign.
by pvlb on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:00:38 PM PDT
tonight making calls at an Obama phonebanking party.
Demos: 3 males/6 females
I have anecdotes too. Why does this have to viewed as a gender issue? We are just all advocating for our preference.
The sexist remarks on this site have been few and far between.
by pooh74 on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:22:11 PM PDT
I hope Obama rethinks his belief that all of Clinton's supporters will automatically support him
Right. How dare he. If he wins the nomination, how dare he just assume that he'll get the support of Democrats who originally supported other Democrats in the primaries.
The nerve. The gall. What arrogance.
Which one of John McCain's 10 houses is the nicest?
by Devin on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 05:33:08 AM PDT
You said:
I don’t know about you but I’m looking for a leader who can walk and chew gum at the same time. We’ve already tried giving the job to a guy who can’t and I’m not willing to make that same mistake again.
I couldn't agree more. That's why I voted for Obama. I would never give the job to a guy (or woman) who can't walk and refuse to enable the worst foreign policy blunder in American history at the same time.
The truth is all that's Left
by Left Leaner on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:57:45 PM PDT
Now, now. Even though she saw Bush steal the election in 2000, he told her the vote "was NOT for war", and she believed him.
by William Domingo on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:04:54 PM PDT
I find it hilarious that this diary is all about how Obama is supposedly blaming others for his "problems" when it's Clinton who can't seem to take any responsibility for the state of her campaign. She constantly invents new bogeyman to blame for her woes. Right now it's the media.
by Left Leaner on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:07:40 PM PDT
Every problem she has is always somebody else's fault, even the war vote she made was because she was "duped". Now "Hillary Clinton pollster Mark Penn has recently been criticized by Clinton loyalists like Leon Panetta and Harold Ickes for leading her campaign down the wrong path." If she would make such a good leader of the country and the free world, (ready from day one!), why is she "led down the wrong path" so easily all the time?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
by William Domingo on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:18:40 PM PDT
Ultimate responsibility lies YOU KNOW WHERE.
by polecat on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:52:28 PM PDT
Obama takes responsibility for not holding any hearings on the oversight committee he chairs about Afghanastan by implying he's too busy running for POTUS?
That kind of taking responsibility?
"Hillary Hate" is a disease that will not be cured until after the primaries.
by emsprater on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:26:50 PM PDT
during the debate.
Relish your bogeymen while you can. It will be over soon enough.
I for one appreciate Senator Hillary Clinton's work on a variety of issues. She just ran a terrible campaign. She should take ownership of it.
by Left Leaner on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:31:43 PM PDT
Just to make sure you understand...he's chair of the European subcommittee, which doesn't have any direct control over Afghanistan.
It does have some purview over NATO, but they're not really too into helping us with anything right now because of the Iraq debacle.
We...join arm in arm and decide we are going to remake this country block by block, precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state - that's what hope is.
by DemocraticOz on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:32:01 PM PDT
No. Not "That kind of taking responsibility" actually. We're talking about when you cast a vote for something, quit trying to blame everyone else for the reason why you voted the way you did.
by William Domingo on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:33:33 PM PDT
Sounds pretty gullible to me.
by polecat on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:51:36 PM PDT
How concerned were you when Chris Dodd was getting swamped by Clinton's ad buys in Iowa?
Pass S. 223. Call Your Senators Today.
by Adam B on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:00:02 PM PDT
perhaps if she and her campaign had managed their money a bit better they could be competing on the ad front...but I guess that's Obama's fault as well. Never mind.
"We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson
by mayan on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:26:47 PM PDT
Hillary misses some pretty big votes:
Constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley criticized the Senate for bowing to President Bush's demands for more spying power and amnesty for potentially law-breaking telecommunications companies. "The fix has been in for some time on the unlawful surveillance program and the torture program," he said Wednesday on Countdown with Keith Olbermann. "Many Democrats and Republicans were aware of the program and they are actively helping the White House to try to shut down any confrontation on the issue. This is also helped by the fact the telecoms are one of the five most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, and many of these members have close ties to those lobbyists." Turley panned presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who skipped the politically tricky and controversial Senate vote on the spy law Tuesday even though she had been campaigning in Washington that day. "It really, I think is symbolic of this disconnect ... here you've got someone who is campaigning for the President of the United States, making pitches to civil libertarians, but doesn't even show up -- when she's in the neighborhood -- to vote against telecom immunity," Turley charged. "I'm not just dumping on her. The fact is there has been a lot of really duplicitous work being done by both parties." Republican John McCain and Barack Obama both voted on amendments to the measure; Obama opposed telecom immunity, while McCain supported it. Clinton left town early to get to a campaign stop in Texas.
Constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley criticized the Senate for bowing to President Bush's demands for more spying power and amnesty for potentially law-breaking telecommunications companies.
"The fix has been in for some time on the unlawful surveillance program and the torture program," he said Wednesday on Countdown with Keith Olbermann. "Many Democrats and Republicans were aware of the program and they are actively helping the White House to try to shut down any confrontation on the issue. This is also helped by the fact the telecoms are one of the five most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, and many of these members have close ties to those lobbyists."
Turley panned presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, who skipped the politically tricky and controversial Senate vote on the spy law Tuesday even though she had been campaigning in Washington that day.
"It really, I think is symbolic of this disconnect ... here you've got someone who is campaigning for the President of the United States, making pitches to civil libertarians, but doesn't even show up -- when she's in the neighborhood -- to vote against telecom immunity," Turley charged. "I'm not just dumping on her. The fact is there has been a lot of really duplicitous work being done by both parties."
Republican John McCain and Barack Obama both voted on amendments to the measure; Obama opposed telecom immunity, while McCain supported it. Clinton left town early to get to a campaign stop in Texas.
Searching for John McCain
by ATL Dem on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:00:04 PM PDT
at least in dKos terms.
by polecat on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:50:40 PM PDT
...you do realize that it's pretty likely he's going to be our nominee, and that this is fodder for the republican machine?
Team Hillary needs to make sure that, as they try to snatch victory from the jaws of almost certain defeat, that you don't hand ammo to the forces of darkness.
And there we are, the beautiful; eating from TV trays, tuned in to Happy Days.
by MBNYC on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:08:38 PM PDT
This isn't fodder for them. This is not even a germ on a bacteria on a mosquito. This is just a diary on Kos.
by reef the dog on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:31:10 PM PDT
this 'fodder for the GOP in the GE' meme now is suddenly important?
It has been raised before, when folks were so bent on 'debating' the candidates 'abilities' here on dKos.
Oh, I know. Back then, it was fodder the GOP could use against Hillary, so it was considered a major part of deciding on our candidate, and that was 'ok'. That's the only substantive difference, and you bring it up now. Now that the media has decided it's time to end Obama's free pass. Figures.
by emsprater on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:32:05 PM PDT
merely appropriate.
I'm sure they can come up with their own dirt.
by polecat on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:49:35 PM PDT
I mean, HRC 08 told us it was over last October, but it wasn't true then. It's true now.
by Inland on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:02:03 PM PDT
would be so kind as to inform the good folks of the states that have not yet voted in their own primaries that you and your fine friends have made the decision for them.
by emsprater on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:07:38 PM PDT
Sorry, I don't have her tin ear for dimissing voters merely because they don't vote for her.
My fine friends and I have only decided how we will vote, and taken the time and trouble to cast our votes. The rest follows from that principle we call democracy.
by Inland on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:15:44 PM PDT
you can have it both ways?
Oh, I forgot, Obama supporters can do that with impunity.
by emsprater on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:18:48 PM PDT
If you can't tell the difference between HRC 08 implying that she's the nominee without a vote being cast, and me saying Obama is the nominee with the election more than half over, then you're probably missing a lot of the subtleties of the primary season.
by Inland on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:22:58 PM PDT
watching someone justify denigrating one candidate early in the primary process while also justifying commentary that scrutiny of the other candidate later in a still not yet won primary is wrong.
It says alot. Obama supporters will say anything to win.
by emsprater on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:29:00 PM PDT
I've been pretty consistent in making this argument. Perhaps you haven't.
by MBNYC on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:48:24 PM PDT
There has been for months and months an equal argument that Hillary is our likely nominee and that stopped and stops NO ONE on Daily Kos from throwing everything they can at her, as often as they can. Right wing smears, personal insults, trumped up charges of race baiting. It's been disgusting. People here have shamelessly fed the worst garbage to the right wing smear machine, and fed off what the right wing smear machine threw out against the Clintons for years. I won't forget it - this is no progressive blog, that's for sure.
on strike.
by daria g on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:58:44 PM PDT
There has been for months and months an equal argument that Hillary is our likely nominee
There's been AN argument, based on inevitability on polls. But the present argument is based on the fact Obama is leading in delegates and we're pretty much through the season.
But I'm getting the vibe that you won't be supporting Obama even after the convcntion formalizes his victory, so why are we pretending.
by Inland on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:04:49 PM PDT
for me to support Obama, if it comes to that, or to encourage my swing state relatives to support Obama, because they don't now, and will require persuading, and I do not know if I could do that.
You and several other prominent Obama supporters on this blog are, in part, responsible, thanks to your incessant trashing of my candidate on a highly personal level. I will not call out the others since they are not here. But your behavior drives away support and poisons the well, and there are repercussions from that, not just from me, but from a lot of people - Hillary has a lot of very dedicated supporters.
by daria g on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:51:24 PM PDT
"BUT apparently [her] run for the presidency is more important to [her], NATO and those troops on the ground in Afghanistan be damned"
rather than Obama, you'd hit the ceiling. Yet you're running around troll rating people who complain that this diarist made this charge against Obama.
Please rethink your strategy.
Defeat John McCain in 2008!
by Drowning Wave on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:59:26 PM PDT
that Hillary supporters haven't trashed Obama? Or have you just been blind to it?
by usmeagle69 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:10:47 PM PDT
why are you here?
all the bright intellectual lights are just waiting for you over at hillaryis44.com, after all.
It's called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. - G. Carlin
by RabidNation on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:07:14 PM PDT
I don't know what that little outburst was supposed to do for you, but last I checked, you don't decide membership here.
And that's a good thing, too.
by MBNYC on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:46:20 PM PDT
and that's a good thing, too.
by RabidNation on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:10:59 PM PDT
because it's not a progressive blog. So you're right.
by daria g on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:47:29 PM PDT
current MyDD wreck list. Five of five diaries are anti-Obama hit pieces.
!] Barack Obama: Inexperienced Opportunist by Mike Pridmore 102 comments (102 new) [!] I Was Too Busy Running for President Updated by Fleaflicker 200 comments (200 new) [!] FINALLY !!!! by linfar 138 comments (138 new) [!] Don't Count Hillary Out Just Yet by atdleft 145 comments (145 new) [!] How's He Gonna Blame Hillary for This One? by alegre 16 comments (16 new)
!] Barack Obama: Inexperienced Opportunist by Mike Pridmore 102 comments (102 new)
[!] I Was Too Busy Running for President Updated by Fleaflicker 200 comments (200 new)
[!] FINALLY !!!! by linfar 138 comments (138 new)
[!] Don't Count Hillary Out Just Yet by atdleft 145 comments (145 new)
[!] How's He Gonna Blame Hillary for This One? by alegre 16 comments (16 new)
Don't confuse partisanship against a given candidate with something it's not.
by MBNYC on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:52:18 PM PDT
with the truth. You know they can't handle it.
by usmeagle69 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:12:18 PM PDT
Don't worry, the comment you uprated is hidden now anyway, but you really should lift your rec.
Because I won't trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:00:44 PM PDT
many of us, including myself, have said that that's not acceptable. That advice was good then and remains good now.
But you know that.
by MBNYC on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:37:17 PM PDT
CLinton is not the only one getting RW shit thrown at her by people on this site...many Clinton supporters, including the author of this diary, have lied repeatedly about Obama and spread ridiculous information that is simply not true. When it comes to trash information and right wing BS, Obama has faced his fair share from people as well.
by usmeagle69 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:09:56 PM PDT
I am an Obama leaner, but not maniac. They are both politicians. Here is my parsing of the argument in this diary.
Legit dings on Obama:
False/Phony dings on Obama:
Quoting paid campaign staff and longtime activist supporters is not sourcing, it's propoganda (Wolfson). I have no idea why Wilentz has such strong views. different opinions.
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by DrSteveB on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:14:17 PM PDT
for your work Alegre. This is, albeit somewhat, a valid critisism. I still don't agree.
by Drewid on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:28:48 PM PDT
No tip or rec from me tonight. Really disappointed in this diary, and not up to your usual standards.
And posting ad hominem attacks and whole pages from HillaryHub is basically just shilling for your candidate. I could do the same for Obama if I wanted to.
I'm sure you're going to get flamed in the comments below for some of the stuff you've posted here, and rightly so. There are several glaring errors in this diary.
But I'm not going to do it. At this point in the process, I don't think it's helpful. I'm not going to change my mind, and neither are you.
Hope to see some more positive diaries out of you in the future. They're much better.
by DemocraticOz on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:30:37 PM PDT
You know I tip and rec Positive candidate diaries.
This ain't one.
by polecat on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:47:19 PM PDT
you're really pissing me off. I responded to you with facts, yes facts, on myddwhen you posted this crap over there.
You clearly didn't read them. So let's try it again.
There's a diary at dkos about the SFRC hearings on Afghanistan. Guess what? Afghanistan is not part of Sen. Obama's responsibility as a sub-committee chair. It belongs in Sen. Kerry's subcommittee. He's been addressing it all along and the entire SFRC considers it so important that they've had 2 hearings with the full committee since January of this year. Hillary's counting on people not knowing how things are divided up on the SFRC. It would have been out of line for Sen. Obama to call a hearing in his subcommittee on Afghanistan which falls into Sen. Kerry's subcommittee's purview.
There's a diary at dkos about the SFRC hearings on Afghanistan. Guess what?
Afghanistan is not part of Sen. Obama's responsibility as a sub-committee chair. It belongs in Sen. Kerry's subcommittee. He's been addressing it all along and the entire SFRC considers it so important that they've had 2 hearings with the full committee since January of this year.
Hillary's counting on people not knowing how things are divided up on the SFRC. It would have been out of line for Sen. Obama to call a hearing in his subcommittee on Afghanistan which falls into Sen. Kerry's subcommittee's purview.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
Reality Window | dwahzon's village
by vbdietz on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:00:26 PM PDT
and nobody cares. They only care about Hillary's vote for the war that cost so many lives and so much treasure. She is a loser and so is her campaign. She is desperate and pathetic. And she deserves what she gets.
by ronnied on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:34:10 PM PDT
wide narrow
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