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    Since when does direct dialog automatically equate to embracement?

    Since Munich, I suppose. When has direct dialog with a modern tyrant had good results?

    Yes, showing the world that we are finally being proactive in brining about change in Cube sends the wrong message.

    What does proactive mean? Conceding something for promises?

    How incredibly arrogant.

    If, as you seemingly believe, it's just arrogant for the U.S. to think it confers a certain cache by holding formal talks with a country, i.e. that there is no such cache, then what does it matter if they're not held?

    With a brand new leader now IS the time to talk...[emp mine]

    What about Raul Castro is brand new to you? He's been in the forefront as long as his brother, and by some accounts, is much worse. Do you contend he has been a democratic seedling all this time, just waiting for the right moment for the U.S. to water him?

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      When has direct dialog with a modern tyrant had good results?

      Just off the top of my head... last year when North Korea finally agreed to shut down their Nuclear programs? Was George Bush embracing Kim Jong-il?

      There's no doubt that having dialog is not a magic wand, and in many cases it reaps little or no progress. But NOT talking and falling back on labels "axis of evil" has had an opposite effect.

      What does proactive mean? Conceding something for promises?  

      It could. Or it may not. "If you let your political prisoners go free, we will lift a small portion of our economic sanctions. If you also do this and that, we will do more".

      Talks MAY end with no results whatsoever. If it does, so what? At least we tried and perhaps we can continue to try.

      If, as you seemingly believe, it's just arrogant for the U.S. to think it confers a certain cache by holding formal talks with a country, i.e. that there is no such cache, then what does it matter if they're not held?

      I'm not understanding your "cache" metaphor, but I think I understand where you're going with this. The US being an enormous economic and military powerhouse certainly can have influence. But that does NOT mean simply talking to them gives them "great status", like driving a Porsche.

      What about Raul Castro is brand new to you? He's been in the forefront as long as his brother, and by some accounts, is much worse. Do you contend he has been a democratic seedling all this time, just waiting for the right moment for the U.S. to water him?

      Cuba Signs UN Rights Pacts Fidel Castro Opposed

      I change my mind. We should ignore this guy.

    •  BTW, I wasn't mocking your title (0+ / 0-)

      I just realized when I hit send my reply title is exactly the same as yours.

      •  No problem. Even were it otherwise, I handle (0+ / 0-)

        mocking well.

      •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

        There is some contention re Kim's actions re words.

        What makes you think such quid pro quo conversations are not occurring? Maybe they just haven't been leaked to the NYT yet.

        Well, if you told Hollywood insiders that you and John Cameron were working on a picture deal, that might have cache.  If you told them you were talking with Ben Afleck, not so much.  You seemed to imply the U.S. is passé as a negotiating partner. Perhaps you should conduct a survey among heads of state: Would you rather have a photo-op in the Oval Office or a new Porche. I suggest those who take the Porche are not our friends, irrespective of administration.

        Since when has Cuba ever had a problem with the UN, and vice versa?

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