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  •  My, how poetic. (0+ / 0-)

    Where's the programs and the jobs?

    Charlie Brown for Congress

    by Rolfyboy6 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:43:01 AM PDT

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    •  well, I won't (1+ / 0-)

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      patronize you by pointing you to websites where programs are laid out, and job totals forecast.

      I'll just say that, of course, hope alone cannot achieve these things.  But it can, it does, it will reduce the friction against them.

      Think about it.  Loans and credit (mortgages, college payments) are nothing -- nothing -- if not a statement of hope that one day, you will be better off -- at least enough so to have made the investment worthwhile.

      The wonky details are of course there.  But spirit seems to matter.

      "In my youth, it was said that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics." -- Ronald Coase

      by julatten on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:47:05 AM PDT

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      •  I've read all the website and all the .pdfs (0+ / 0-)

        They sure don't have any wonky details.  Have a hope sandwich.

        Charlie Brown for Congress

        by Rolfyboy6 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:48:40 AM PDT

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        •  Oh come now. (1+ / 0-)

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          It's been apparent since the days of his 30-page New Yorker interview in 04 that the man is a wonkfest.  Both Obama and Clinton can draw up 10-point bulleted programs to address anything from subprime mortgages to my cat's digestive health.  Neither lack.

          But Clinton is not serving me a hope sandwich along with.  And I'm hungry.

          "In my youth, it was said that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics." -- Ronald Coase

          by julatten on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 08:52:34 AM PDT

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          •  I'm sure they can theoretically wonk it up (0+ / 0-)

            but will either of them actually commit to anything other than more of the same economic bandaids like bailing out the huge banks, mortgage companies, bond issuers, and bond insurers from their own folly and then call that a fix despite there being no liquidity in housing afterward.  Will either of them geto ver the idea that even more of the same is the fix on Health Insurance?

            Frankly, I don't see the will to do more than fold to the center in either of them.   Potential Herbert Hoovers.

            Charlie Brown for Congress

            by Rolfyboy6 on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 09:26:02 AM PDT

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            •  Fair enough. (1+ / 0-)

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              Actually, I agree.  I'm way to the left of either of them.

              But what I do see in Obama is the potential to move beyond overwhelmingly divisive narrative.  This is a very specific achievement, an important one.  I'm not saying it's gonna cure cancer, but it'll do something very important even as he folds to the center just as she would.

              Folding to the center is one problem.  Triangulating and dividing is another.  Neither address the first, but Obama can fix the second.

              "In my youth, it was said that what was too silly to be said may be sung. In modern economics it may be put into mathematics." -- Ronald Coase

              by julatten on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 09:52:24 AM PDT

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