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  •  then i guess we are very different (0+ / 0-)

    cuz if you think PNAC and Albright are the same thing, we live on different planets.

    But I get why you think Hillary is a warmonger now!
    ;)

    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

    by SeanF on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:47:01 PM PDT

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    •  Albright knew that Iraqi children were starving (0+ / 0-)

      to death during the 1990's when we imposed sanctions on that defensless country..Hussein was no threat..she says he was contained..well they contained him by keeping his country an open prison..people have been so beaten there.

      PNAC came about because Bush 41 would not invade Iraq knowing it would be a quagmire..Cheney said so at the time..

      PNAC is about empire..everything that comes out of Albrights mouth is about American empire..

      Obama '08

      by RubyGal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 02:59:43 PM PDT

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      •  i think you are nuts (0+ / 0-)

        in a way. If you want to use Pax Americanus as code language for empire, then I'd say that the Albrights are more about benevolent empire, the PNACs are about domination and forcing people to be like us, i.e. evil empire. Are either sustainable? I don't think so; we need something truly different. But if you can't tell the HUGE distinctions between those two, then I take your judgement less seriously.

        And btw, who do you support this cycle? Do you really think Obama (whom I support) will be that much different foreign policy wise? I don't think anyone running is suggesting we transfer American empire power to an international governance scheme that has glocal input. That's what I'd do, but I'm not expecting any candidate to pull that off quite yet.

        All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

        by SeanF on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 03:04:52 PM PDT

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        •  She was not about benevolent empire.. (0+ / 0-)

          She is not about benevolent empire..she is about empire and the power and might of the USA...That is Neocon to me..that is what PNAC is all about..

          Obama '08

          by RubyGal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:03:21 PM PDT

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          •  you need to get you vocabulary sorted (0+ / 0-)

            i can't discuss these things with you when you decide what labels and words mean "to you" willy nilly.

            All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

            by SeanF on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:13:03 PM PDT

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            •  Obviously you are a hostile idiot (0+ / 0-)

              I see so many people like you here.  It gets so tiresome.  

              Obama '08

              by RubyGal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:25:02 PM PDT

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              •  i was trying to be nice actually (0+ / 0-)

                but you tire me too, so we're even.

                All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

                by SeanF on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 04:43:47 PM PDT

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                •  Madeleine Albright is a signatory to PNAC (0+ / 0-)

                  but then again .. so is Joe Biden..very curious.. and look at the date..my my..

                  http://www.newamericancentury.org/...

                  Obama '08

                  by RubyGal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:14:26 PM PDT

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                  •  nice catch (0+ / 0-)

                    actually, it's a letter, not an indication of membership. but nice catch nonetheless.

                    All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

                    by SeanF on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:28:03 PM PDT

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                    •  Joe Biden is on this also... (0+ / 0-)

                      which is curious..and the date is curious also..but what is really interesting is that a person with the last name of Bao Lord is a signatory to one other of these PNAC documents and she is in the FEC filings for Hillary's campaign fundraising..very curious..

                      Obama '08

                      by RubyGal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:30:16 PM PDT

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                      •  well what's hard to tell (0+ / 0-)

                        is what implication do these letters have? Why would anyone on the left want to be on any of these letters? I mean, the content of the letter was fine, I agree with it. But the letterhead you'd think would give one pause...

                        That being said, are you a fan of Zbigneiw Brzinzksky? (spelling is wrong) He's one of Obama's top foreign policy advisors and is a longstanding center left hawk. I happen to love him, but given some of his stances, wonder if you'd consider him a PNAC lover too??

                        All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

                        by SeanF on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:35:58 PM PDT

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                        •  Well...I think he has written some unfortunate (0+ / 0-)

                          things..but he was also stating very clearly in the Carter administration that we had to move full speed ahead on alternative fuels because he correctly predicted the mess we are in now.  Carter wanted to have this country work on energy with great vigor.  Now we are behind the rest of the world when we could have been at the forefront of alternatives.

                          Reagan came in and the PNAC people saw this as the opportunity to push their agenda way back then..The Council for National Policy was formed by Rich DeVos..Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson ushered in the Evangelical political power needed to give the right wing election wins..and George Herbert Walker Bush started on his ambitious project to create black ops money by trafficking in drugs and weapons..that was what BCCI was about.

                          I don't know how Barack will be..but I surely do not want Hillary.  It is the cold bloodedness of these people that is shocking..

                          Obama '08

                          by RubyGal on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:34:08 AM PDT

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