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  •  RIght, so the Times should have (1+ / 0-)

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    NeuvoLiberal

    either counted only "officially" pledged delegates--leaving out the supers--or included both supers and the delegates yet to be officially certified.

    Including the supers as if they were bound and not including the delegates yet to be certified is the source of the error.  It's not a consistent method.

    "For a man who will turn 72 this month, he's a surprisingly immature politician--erratic, impulsive and subject to peer pressure"-Newsweek.

    by Inland on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 04:51:58 AM PDT

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    •  IMO, Obama campaign should (0+ / 0-)

      put out a memo to the media asking them to highlight pledged delegates. Everything else is fluid.

      •  heh! that's what the race feels like. (2+ / 0-)

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        i started last summer, so it's eight months down and eight months to go in fighting for Hillary. the trouble with Pfloufe's transparent attempt to claim that his candidate won more delegates is that he released hit BEFORE NOON YESTERDAY, and New Mexico has quit counting overnight, to say nothing  of the other locations that were still counting. it was a bluff and everyone knew it.

        how does he expect to convince people to vote for his candidate by lying to them?

        gallup

        Hillary 2008 - Flying Monkey Squadron 283

        by campskunk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:31:12 AM PDT

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        •  Gaps: on 1/20 = 20%. In Feb'05 votes: 0.4% (0+ / 0-)

          That alone shows who really won on Super Tuesday. Obama overcame whopping double digit deficits to pull into a draw by that day. Thanks for your comment exposing that fact (I am RECing it!).

          •  yeah, he was supposed to put her away in NH (0+ / 0-)

            see how it's close earlier in january? the data you cherrypicked (1/20) is the lead hillary built up when people saw he couldn't close the deal after winning iowa. she beat him in new hampshire. the widening lead she has over the past days will expand because obama once again shows on 2/5 that he can't close the deal. he had every resource he needed to put her away, and yet voters just aren't buying it.

            Hillary 2008 - Flying Monkey Squadron 283

            by campskunk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:53:29 AM PDT

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            •  NH frenzy was media's creation. (0+ / 0-)

              Obama campaign wasn't thumping it's chest about NH prospects. Obama was trailing by some 10-20% in Dec polls for NH, and by 4.5% in January polls before IA. He ended up losing by 2%, which was a strong showing.

              "the widening lead she has over the past days will expand"

              Keep dreaming and spinning :)

              The gap widened in your own graph after NH and NV to 20% (he was faring even worse among Feb'5 states), but it was a flat out tie on election day, 2/5/08.

              "because obama once again shows on 2/5 that he can't close the deal."

              He did close the deal by pulling from 20% deficits into a tie.

              "he had every resource he needed to put her away, and yet voters just aren't buying it."

              Clinton came in with a 25% advantage from the name recognition she has had, but as of now, all told. Obama has polled more votes (popular votes) all contested races taken together, and probably more regular people chose pledged delegates as well (as should become clear once the dust settles on delegate counting process for Feb'5 states).

              Obama is overcoming the dominating Clinton name recognition and the mighty Clinton machine, rather impressively.

          •  How is that a win ...? (0+ / 0-)

            It wouldn't matter if he closed in from 40 points down - she held, instead of crumbling, and the tide will go out as it came in.

            The best fortress is to be found in the love of the people - Niccolo Machiavelli

            by al Fubar on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:18:47 AM PDT

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