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i am so sick of getting candidates for our side that offer no contrast
i like and respect john kerry - but it was, for most people, another election that we were screwed either way - he was boring and could not generate enthusiasm
Gore, in 2000, was not the Gore of today - way too conservative and middle of the road - generate no enthusiasm and was too establishment
now finally we have a canidate in Obama that is a clear contrast to the republicans - he is something completely fresh and their is nothing to hate about him, but here we are again ready to commit political suicide and pick hillary clinton to unite the fractured opponent
if we pick hillary the democrats will have proven we really don't want to win the WH
"we are the ones we've been waiting for " - Barack Obama
by eastcoaster on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:00:38 AM PDT
john mccain and hillary clinton - no difference
That's just silly.
by MajorFlaw on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:02:03 AM PDT
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how can hillary argue with mccain about the war?
she voted for it
how can hillary argue with mccain about iran?
she voted with him in support of bush
by eastcoaster on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:04:46 AM PDT
I'm just doing this from memory but lemme give it a shot:
HRC: If (the shrub) doesn't end the war in Iraq--I will. JMcC: We're gonna stay there for a hundred years.
Looks like a plan to me.
by MajorFlaw on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:07:42 AM PDT
"Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan
by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:15:30 AM PDT
an imperialist as McCain is. She and Bill starved Iraqi women and children in the 1990's. She and Bill allowed the IMF so savagely attack the welfare of Indonesians in the 1990's, therein allowing American capital to pick up after the bankruptcies and then exploit the newly emaciated workforces. She voted for the war. She voted to give Bush more room on Iran. She voted for cluster bombs.
If public opinion on the war was no so negative she still be for the war.
Workers of the world unite--back by popular demand.
by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:07:22 AM PDT
...Major, the 2nd part was so spot on everything else but that first conflation of Hillary with McCain was way off. No way.
by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:15:00 AM PDT
of the utter stupidity of hero-worshippers as opposed to savvy supporters of a candidate. After the primaries, there's this thing called the general election. I don't think Obama needs the "Clinton can't be elected" meme in order to win the democratic nomination and then the White House. If you do ... perhaps you ought to re-examine who you're supporting. Obama can win on his strengths. On his positions. On his record. On HIS efforts, not the myriad attacks on HRC.
The differences between McCain and Clinton are immense. It's a shame it requires a separate paragraph for emphasis in this post.
On point, I'm really appreciative of the diaries and posts which highlight the positions, the record and the directions these candidates have. I'm an Obama supporter, but I frequently comment on hatchet jobs with regard to HRC.
Let's spare our attacks for the republicans. McCain may, at one time, have been an honorable man. I remember resonating to some of what he used to say about taxation and torture. He's long since adopted a more utilitarian set of beliefs in order to gain credence in the republican party. This repubican party will break our constitution, our military and our economy. It sells fear for the price of freedom.
Experience Failure 2008: McCain
by crescentdave on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:15:10 AM PDT
wide narrow
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