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as long as FL's vote is only counted half in determining the popular vote. So Clinton would cut Obama's lead in the popular vote by only 144K instead of 288K.
Obama's lead in pledged delegates is about 155, so losing 19 is a drop in the bucket.
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by IhateBush on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:20:04 PM PDT
The popular vote has no official significance at all.
by Mia Dolan on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:24:06 PM PDT
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about the popular vote. And the Clinton campaign also makes a big deal about it Such a deal made here should be under the understanding that Florida counts half in every way, including the popular vote.
by IhateBush on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:27:28 PM PDT
If she has to, Hillary will use the popular vote to entice SDs. Wait, what am I saying? That's already her plan.
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by madgranny on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:27:50 PM PDT
One "logic" is that in November, each state will be winner take all (actually only all but ME and NE, but who's counting). So whoever wins the popular vote in each state during the primaries has the "magic" it takes to win the state in the general election, which is just hooey. The winner of an Obama/Clinton in a primary or caucus doesn't necessarily do better against an unspecified Republican in the general election, let alone specifically against John McCain. But that is why the MSM report "Clinton won Nevada" instead of the truth, which is that Obama won more delegates there.
The other logic is worse. "If we were a true democracy, the one with the most votes should win." Well, if we were a true democracy we would take a popular vote on every individual issue, and we wouldn't have a President at all. Nor is it at all likely that we will stop using the Electoral College any time soon and go to a simple majority vote, the 40 or so small states would throw a fit and they would win, particularly in the Senate. So what the popular vote is truly should have no place in a discussion of American politics at the national level.
Honesty is still the best policy.
by oscarsdad on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:55:18 PM PDT
is at all fair. Please, tell me how its more fair to say "you are voting for __" as opposed to saying "your vote doesn't count"
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by FerrisValyn on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:33:24 PM PDT
by IhateBush on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:49:38 PM PDT
and I say that as someone from MI. Its much more fair, than this stupid 50/50 split
by FerrisValyn on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:56:25 PM PDT
Just a line that Clinton is using to put pressure on the DNC and make headlines with the media and probably ignorant voters.
The matter is very simple and if people don't realize it then there is an obvious double-standard.
If Clinton was in Obama's shoes, she could care less about FL and Michigan or at least not make such a fuss about it, especially if she knew that a vote in either state would cut her lead.
The simple fact is that Florida and Michigan violated the rules and were punished for it. However, the DNC made a big mistake as well. Once the DNC disqualifed both states, it should have adjusted the total for winning the election. It didn't so now we're fucked.
by ovelarde on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:24:10 PM PDT
wide narrow
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