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  •  Wake Up: It's Over...We Lost! (32+ / 0-)

    After losing 10 straight primaries, it should have been all over for HRC.  The leaders in the House and Senate should have endorsed Obama and told HRC to get out of the race.

    But they didn't.

    And now, like Stalin, HRC is pursuing a scorched earth policy.  Anything to win.  No matter who suffers.  No matter how many down-ticket candidates lose.  No matter how many young voters are alienated.  No matter how many African American voters are turned off by the Democratic brand

    It all doesn't matter.  What only matters is that Obama loses.  It doesn't even matter if HRC wins the nomination this round.  Her logic: if she gets the nomination she wins and if Obama loses in the general election she wins.

    Many politicians are selfish and ego-driven.  Very few are as deranged as the Clintons.  

    When you are dealing with personality disorders, it is all about setting limits.

    None were set on the Clintons.  Now they have run amuck.

    •  that's all depressingly true, I fear n/t (2+ / 0-)
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      by kainah on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:54:11 PM PDT

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    •  Not like Stalin... (7+ / 0-)

      more like Hitler. When it became clear he was going to lose Paris to the Allies, he instructed the general in charge to torch the city.  "I demand to know," he screamed "Yes or No? Is Paris burning?"  Fortunately, the general ignored Hitler's orders.  A book titled "Is Paris Burning?" was published in 1964 telling the story.  This is "Is the Democratic Party burning?"

      I know this comparison may be controversial. I'm giving it as a historical example of "scorched earth".

    •  Stalin won you idiot.... (0+ / 0-)

      drink the koolaid, and shut the fuck up

      •  What kind of comment is that??? (7+ / 0-)

        Listen, I very rarely dispense donuts around here, but I've got a few and just might in your case.

        Please overcome your natural bent and try to be civil. No one said anything insulting to you, or anything that warrants an insult from you.

        "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

        by Donna in Rome on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 04:19:56 AM PDT

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        •  you're like most Obama Rooters... (0+ / 1-)
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          and it's sad....misinformed, and all too ready to jump onto a bandwagon.
            We didn't beat Hitler back to Berlin, Stalin did....and We didn't turn this campaign into character issues until your type did...
            Ya got your candidate being married by someone akin to Hitler with his "kinder gentler politics"
            I told ya so?.....welcome to the jungle, and it will get worse, so hang-on?...Hillary waited, like she didn't know this was out-there from the start?....it's a chess game, and it seems wisdom has indeed won the day on this front.......and it's all so terribly terribly sad.
            but hey, that's politics?

          •  Excuse me, but I did not make a political comment (0+ / 0-)

            to you, nor did I ask for one from you.

            I don't give a flying f*** about the specific Stalin/Hitler point you seem to be focusing on so much. I didn't comment on that, and it was and is of no importance to me. What I agree with is the idea of Hillary's "scorched earth", "anything to win" strategy, and her obvious attitude that if she can't win, nobody should. It's her sense of entitlement, condescension, and  increasingly nasty shrewishness, that are bugging the hell out of me lately.

            I am neither misinformed, nor the sort of person who jumps onto bandwagons. As a matter of fact, I'm the exact opposite: I usually avoid going with the flow, following the masses, and practically always end up in the minority (i.e. with the losers, when it comes to voting). I stand back and observe and analyze first. I'm very wary of mass movements; I think for myself and don't follow fads. And I wasn't born yesterday; I'm not an impressionable young cult follower or groupie type. I'm a "seasoned" 57-year-old married working woman with 2 kids.

            I was an Edwards supporter (in the minority, as usual), and in the beginning Obama didn't convince me either. But when Edwards dropped out I had to make a choice. If Hillary Clinton had been the only other viable candidate left, there would have been no problem. And probably we wouldn't have even had the chance to see how dirty she fights.

            But she has disappointed me immensely. Apart from the unscrupulous way she's been waging her campaign (condescendingly exaggerating her "experience", lying, providing McCain with ammunition against Obama for the upcoming Presidential campaign, etc.), and the fact that I have grave doubts about her judgment on a number of matters, what bothers me most is that she's unfortunately carrying too much baggage, and I don't want to see the Republicans digging up all the dirt and rehashing everything we already went through with both Clintons years ago.

            And because of the fact that 1) most independents and a lot of Democrats would not want to vote for her and might decide to sit out the election, and 2) there are too many rabid Hillary (and Bill) haters out there (I'm not one of them), she would end up energizing the generally indifferent Republican base that really can't stand McCain, and inspire them to flock in droves to the polls simply to vote against her. I'm personally sure she couldn't win. And if she did, she might end up being even more divisive a president than Bush.

            And another thing: it's about time we cut this dynastic umbilical cord that has tied us to the Bushes and Clintons since 1980, when Bush I became VP. We need some new faces and, if possible, a new kind of politics.

            It's absolutely absurd that, with all the talent that exists in the Democratic party (unlike on the Republican side), we have to revert to the Clintons again. Former First Ladies have no more right or entitlement to the Presidency than anyone else has. I, too, would like to see a woman president in my lifetime, but unfortunately I do not feel Hillary is the right person, especially at this point in time.

            But back to us: I was addressing my comment to you because of your insulting tone and language: specifically, the "idiot" and the "shut the fuck up". It would be better if you mellowed your tone a bit if you want people to listen to you and take what you're saying seriously.

            "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain

            by Donna in Rome on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 06:33:10 AM PDT

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