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    •  Tips and Pie please, (2+ / 0-)

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      RichM, unclejohn

      no donuts.

      Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.

      by emmasnacker on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:15:50 PM PDT

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    •  Excellent diary! (2+ / 0-)

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      Highly recommended.  We don't produce anything anymore, we are not earning anymore and our population is stabilizing.  Right now, the only place worth making investments is 'emerging economies'.  But there are two problems with that:

      1. The world is shrinking.  We are running out of places that have a fairly educated society that is willing to work on the cheap.
      1. The earth only has so many resources.  There is no way that 6 or 7 billion people can live like the 300 million in the US.  There isn't enough oil, metal, etc. to allow that.
      •  You put your finger on the essential problem (2+ / 0-)

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        with the capitalist superstructure:

        In order to exist, capitalism posits a potentially infinite possibility for expansion. That's not compatible with the real world.

        Any species that lives by that model is doomed to extinction. Let's give it a push.

        We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

        by unclejohn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:44:50 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure, though.. (1+ / 0-)

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          If there is a better working model.  We could get into the fundamental flaw of humanity, etc. but that is probably a topic for another diary.

          •  We have to figure out what might work better. (0+ / 0-)

            We have done it in the past, and we came up with capitalism, which, under the prevailing conditions was a better solution than feudalism. But just like feudalism, capitalism depends on a certain environment to prosper. Once it has exhausted that environment, it is doomed to die. It is high time that we created a new superstructural mutation that will allow humans to survive the demise of capitalism as we know it.

            We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

            by unclejohn on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:55:47 PM PDT

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    •  Nice work. (4+ / 0-)

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      Cathy Willey, unclejohn, eddie233, Mbuto

      I can explain the crisis pretty simply--too much debt and not enough real money.

      One bank lends money to a person to set up a business.  That business starts selling product to another vendor and gives the vendor customer payment terms.  Those vendors sell product to consumers who pay with credit cards.

      Then the bank needs money so they call in the debts they are owed.  But the business tells them they haven't been payed yet either but they are owed money.  They call in their debts and are told the same thing.  Eventually it works it's way down to the consumer, and surprise surprise, the consumers have maxed out on debt and don't have two real nickels to rub together because real wages haven't risen in years and they're spending everything they have and more just to get by.

      That's how the depression started, and it appears the same thing is going on right now.  Sounds like these dumbfouded columnists should pick up a history book.

      "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

      by cometman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:32:48 PM PDT

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