Like "America has already spoken.."

Oh and the thinly veiled if Hillary doesn't quit abortion will be outlawed insinuation?    

We're in the middle of a primary and BO has a what 5% lead in delegates so she should quit?  I think not.  

With BO making more huge gaffs like "my Grandmother is a typical white woman..." it makes perfect sense for HRC to stay in the race.

All her "factual asertions" are based on BO wining the general election, not Hillary staying in the race.  BTW BO's chances of winning a general electionj are fading further away on a daily basis.  That's my opinion.  I wouldn't be so bold as to tell him to leave the race anymore than you should expect Hillary to do the same.

What, you guys have more slime in your slopbucket?

Clintons can be in triangulating on the job of smearing an unwanted competitor in a major slime-storm.

The constantly replayed loops of Rev. Wright at the height of a long emotional sermon, has been the focus of quite a chorus of talking heads, pundits, and critics, all taking turns throwing their dirtballs and buckets of slime, eagerly reinforcing the association of Obama with another man's claimed extremist views, a snippet which was taken a bit out of context.  

Then these MSM darlings wonder out loud, perhaps with a hint of sympathy, how he'll weather this horrendous firestorm of criticism and longlasting negative impact of the associations made.  Meanwhile the Clintons couldn't wait to burn up the phonelines to super-delegates and push Hillary as the one with more 'electibility'.

The obvious focus was to deny Obama any more positive air time, to flood the media with this repetitious toxic assocation, and to require him to take very defensive postures.  Burying an opponent in toxic slime by association is a classic Rove technique.  

The Clintons might have made a more classy move, showing a little decency, if not party solidarity, in calling out the vast rightwing conspiracy that was going after Obama with this barrage, even rather like they had gone after Clintons.  Instead the Clintons were fanning the flames of the burning arrows shot into his back, and trying to use them like a step ladder to put Hillary 'over the top'. Hillary pretending to be ignorant of her husbands holding secretive meetings on this was amazing.  Well I guess there is more than one way to be 'over the top'.

When Obama made his compelling Unity speech, he managed to get it above and over enough of the slime avalanche to reach a significant number, probably far more than was expected.  Although to actually see and hear it, you do still have to look for it.  Some PBS stations aired it and have replayed it.  But the standard MSM outlets were again playing loops of negative responses of pundits, critics and competitors instead actually airing the speech, probably one of the best speeches in decades, either in meaningful excerpts or in entirety.

the daily-to-weekly trickle of "It's time for Clinton to step down" proclamations are just plain idiotic.

... what's idiotic - her suggesting today that the nominee may not be legitimate if Michigan and Florida don't re-vote.  THAT'S idiotic!

And that's why she needs to go - now.

One thing, however, that can not happen is Clinton winning the nomination.Reality sucks.  

If he were to run as VP, it would give him time to be vetted, and to establish his political credentials

What is this bullshit?

"Time to be vetted" is a Hillary-manufactured meme. It's a way for her to spin her scandal-ridden past and high negatives, by saying, "every scandal about me is already out there, and half the country won't vote for me for dog-catcher, but that's a great thing, it means I'm vetted!

We never heard one thing about "vetting" Carter or Mondale or Dukakis or Gore. Because they didn't go into the race with negatives exceeding 50%.

If Obama were Hilary's VP, he'd find himself in the same box as Al Gore: forced to publicly play apologist for Clinton scandals (not just Lewinsky, remember: Travel-gate, FBI-record-gate, Mike Epsy,  Henrry Cisneros, etc, ad nauseum). And like Al Gore, it would him in a poorer position to run after a Hillary Admonistration.

With no principle of fairness, established with the DNC rules on which all candidates agreed, the party will fall into chaos. And if it falls into chaos, McCain wins.

HRC and her backers are actually not liberal or republicans. They're espousing a chaotic and radical approach to winning. They want to unilaterally change the rules. and by thinking that "anything can happen", they're reasoning that they may find an opportunity to break through the rules and dominate the framing and the process, to execute a coup of the DNC, and to place HRC in the winner's circle by way of acclamation.

The rules of the primary game aren't contingent upon the popular vote or the state count. It's the pledged delegate count, and eventually, the total delegate count, that resolves the game. If HRC has a notion that she can change the rules in the middle of the game, and she actually succeeds, she executes a coup. She topples the Democratic Party hierarchy and places herself at the head. She pushes Howard Dean out of his office. She alienates Democrats by the millions.

Do you understand this yet?

You know what I hope for?  That the party will count my vote.

You are clouding it with your bias.

He won in Iowa, Maine, Wisconsin, Washington, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, and many other states that are all-while. Your claim that he is the "Black" candidate is a crock of shit. And you do not speak for "party leaders."

Obama is black?!?!?

Gee, Obama leads in Delegates and popular vote but he can't win? Please explain in detail how that works out?

If you don't know Obama have you tried reading his book? Have you reviewed his voting record? Have you tried to educate yourself? If not, are you voicing facts or unsubstantiated opinion?

Have you listened to his pastors complete sermon, or just the sound bites? Have you ever really talked to a black man about his experiences? About being followed through stores? About being hassled by police? About why the Black community might be upset about a large portion on their young men being in prison?

How does this play out with Hillary having a sufficient number of delegates to be president? I'll politely wait for your complete and detailed response.

this point. Obama doesn't need to score any more. This things over and what he needs to worry about is fighting mccain. He's getting hit on both sides and then the polls reflect exactly that. If two campaigns (hillary and mccain) are both sending out negative press releases by the dozens about you, then your poll numbers will take a hit. Nothing a good dose of summer won't fix.

that he's Black? How does that even matter? Is this not America where we're all created equal? So, he's a "Black candidate". So what?

And how did that brilliant beautiful speech where he said things that no politician has been brave enough to say, where he acknowledged that all of us have our issues but we can't nurse grievances and grow at the same time, how did that hurt his appeal? He raised all of us above the old division with it.

Do you know Hillary?? Who DID you know before you voted? Your argument is crazy. We don't "know" candidates, and we never will. We know what they present to us. We know their public personas. And we know them by their behavior as legislators and/or governors. We can know their records, we know what they say, and we can match the two and look for congruence. Your assumption is sophomoric. And I'm trying to be respectful.

You sew the seeds of false doubt, and you know it. You build up the straw man of "the unknown Obama" and then you try to knock him down. It's a common trick, perfected already by the late Lee Atwater and his demonic majesty, Karl Rove and perpetuated by his fawning underlings in the corporate press. You're an amateur at this game, so how about just sticking to reason and let the rest pass you by?

All candidates are flawed. So what? Do we want to canonize the next president? Should we have a Papal Palace instead of the White House as the home and office of the president?

You want Hillary as the nominee??? She has more skeletons in her closet than there are dead bodies at Arlington. The GOP is salivating, hoping that she gets the nomination. And if you want to see how the GOP will divide and conquer, watch what happens with Hillary if she goes against McCain. Her associations with "The Family" is just a start. The GOP has already done its homework, and they have their ad production teams waiting in the wings.

Hillary is actually a Liberal Republican.. It's obvious, since the Religious Conservatives took over the Republican Party there has been nowhere for these people to go,,, Except to turn the Democratic Party into the DLC or the Nelson Rockefeller Wing of the Republican Democratic party.

That's why she's so similar to that "maverick" McCain.

Only chance in hell I'd vote for her would be if she publicly disavowed the DLC and quit. Otherwise, I'll vote for Cynthia McKinney instead.
(Relax people, I don't live in a swing state.)

McCain is a far, far worse option.

If she slides under the nomination process and grabs the ring, it's hers.

We have to support the Democratic candidate.  There will be other elections.

We can lick our wounds and swallow our pride for an election that's bigger than ourselves, IMHO.

If you don't vote for her (if she doesn't abandon her plan for coup by superdelegate and gets the nomination), you're not just slitting your own wrist, but my wrist, and the country's wrists as well.  We'd really rather you didn't.

This country will not survive President McCain.  Repeat until you get it.