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Did they finally dose the water table with LSD?
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by iconoclastic cat on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:28:55 AM PDT
I've never tried LSD, might be fun!
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by angrytoyrobot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:31:56 AM PDT
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So are shrooms.
Or so I hear...
Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:39:18 AM PDT
Ah, the closet skeletons. Just hiding there, waiting for you to do something stupid so they can come out a thwack you and make you look even dumber.
by angrytoyrobot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:46:50 AM PDT
Let's just leave it at that, shall we? ;)
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:11:40 AM PDT
no shrooms, no LSD, no psychotropic trips of any kind. bummer!
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by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:13:22 AM PDT
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:37:48 AM PDT
70's and more drug use than in the 60's. Supposedly.
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by shigeru on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:40:39 PM PDT
My daughter had a long talk with a girl she knew. That girl told my daughter about her first time using drugs at a park in the middle of the night. It took them a good long while before they realized one of the teens they were doing drugs with was sitting next to her stone cold dead.
It was their first fucking time for all of them. Some fun huh?
You can't choose sides on a round planet.
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:41:26 AM PDT
But, just because someone died from "drugs" - glue-sniffing, pot, Valium, LSD - what was it? - doesn't mean that discussing how LSD is fun is "bullshit". Thousands of people die in car accidents every year -does that make it "bullshit" to love a '67 Mustang?
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by pacotrey on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:58:44 AM PDT
every time you do it. That's a really bad comparison. (p.s.I am being really nice)
At my age, I have seen so many lives destroyed by drugs. Keep thinking it wont happen to you. That's what they all think till it's too late.
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:06:36 AM PDT
and I am now 41, and got all of my partying out of my system in my 20s' and can barely drink 2 glasses of wine without heading to bed.
By the way, you didn't mention what your son's drug addiction was but I'm fairly certain it wasn't LSD. I never met anyone in my life that was addicted to hallucinogenics. It's damn near impossible, frankly.
Not everyone that uses drugs abuses them. Some are casual users, such as myself, just as not everyone that drinks alcohol abuses it and becomes an alcohol.
I think we need to be very careful about feeding into generalizations when we don't have all the facts at hand.
Very sorry about your son's friend.
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:24:58 AM PDT
Excuse me?! I didn't say my son had a drug addition! Your comprehension is down a bit - check my writing again. My son had a traumatic brain injury. He was beaten, robbed, and left for dead with bleeding in four parts of his brain.
He was robbed by guys who later in court admitted that they were doing drugs before they decided to rob someone that day.
My son was clean and is, clean.
If drugs were so great, why did you stop? People are real productive on LSD. No?
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:46:17 AM PDT
I meant your son's friend. Please forgive my typo.
As for the rest of your comment, I'm moving on. You are looking to pick a fight and I'm not going to engage you. Suffice it to say that we have very different view and let's leave it at that.
And yes, LSD was one of the best experiences of my life--it gave me more insight and growth in my personal life than you can possibly begin to comprehend.
I stopped because like most casual users, it was just that...casual use. I could take it or leave it.
Have a good day.
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:06:02 AM PDT
and you haven't used it since your 20's because...it was the best experience of your life?...riiiiight.
I stop doing the best things in my life, too. All the time. Because they're so great and beneficial, I stop it. Like you, I wouldn't want to do them again because I wouldn't want great things to happen to me again.
Or was it that you weren't willing to roll the dice one more time on whether you would live or die?
Come on!
Let's leave it at we agree to disagree. I hope you have a long happy life filled with peace and joy.
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:50:48 AM PDT
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:59:19 PM PDT
bad experiences. But drugs don't cause brain damage every time you use them. If they did, I certainly wouldn't have the motor skills left to be typing this comment.
We need better education about drugs, because many of them will ruin your life, if not kill you. I've seen it happen to friends and acquaintances of mine as well. One had to have electric shocks to restart his heart after taking heroin and cocaine together.
But smoking a joint or taking mushrooms or pretty much any natuarally occurring unprocessed substance won't get you addicted, and for a lot of people, it opens their minds to thinking in ways they never have before. For others, it makes them paranoid and they hate it.
They key is educating people honestly about what is fairly harmless, what is extremely dangerous and what the effects of them are.
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa
by cometman on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:51:32 AM PDT
That's a microcosm for the risks.
Chemical. Neurological damage, especially.
Proximity to criminals.
Secondary infections: now staphylococcus aureus for Amy, all over her face.
Crazy risks for minimal life enhancement.
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by vets74 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:16:10 PM PDT
He thought it was fun, too - right up until he tried to stop. Sweet kid. Couldn't overcome the addiction. He tried really hard, too.
Each time he resolved to start life over and kick the habit, he was so happy. He really meant it. It was a new day. He was going to make up for all the time he wasted on drugs. He was going to help other people get over it, too. He was a loving, sweet, kid.
Dead at 22. My son was devastated.
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:15:10 AM PDT
by iconoclastic cat on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:47:52 AM PDT
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:51:46 AM PDT
by iconoclastic cat on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:57:00 AM PDT
plain old morbid curiosity - there is no need for you to know.
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:21:14 AM PDT
are as different as chalk and cheese.
Also note that people die of perfectly legal drugs, i.e. alcohol poisoning and prescription drug overdose on a fairly regular basis.
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by alizard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:19:57 AM PDT
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:24:33 AM PDT
Alcohol, which is condoned in our society, is one of the more dangerous drugs out there. It can cause both physical and psychological dependency and serious, long-term alcohol abuse creates havoc with many body systems, not just the central nervous system. Likewise, nicotene is a feircely addictive drug with lots of negative consequences to physical health.
Opiates are physically addictive and there is a high risk of death through overdose. Their long-term effects on the body are less than alcohol, for those who don't die of overdoses or contract HIV or Hep C through shared needles.
Methamphetamine is a truly scary drug with incredibly negative physical effects on the CNS, and even on the teeth.
There has never been a documented case of death by overdose with marijuana, and the long-term physical effects of use are simply far less severe than for any of the drugs I just listed. Culturally, marijuana use is condemned far more than alcohol and nicotene, although marijuana is arguably a much safer drug.
Hallucinogens are a very different kind of animal. There is a significant risk of adverse psychological effects, for sure - someone who is depressed or with a history of mental illness can do some serious damage by taking hallucinogens. However, there is little risk of addiction. They tend not to cause negative long-term physical problems the way alcohol, nicotene, meth do.
So the question of "what drug" is highly relevant. So is the cultural context. Islam recognizes alcohol as a great sin and a great physical danger to users, but has historically not been as adverse to use of opiates. Iran has one of the best harm reduction and opiate addiction programs in the world, but strictly outlaws alcohol. Here, we freak out about opiate use (perhaps appropriately) but alcohol use is culturally accepted.
This is not a black and white area.
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by ivorybill on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:40:05 AM PDT
drug killed him.
So, if you had a son - would it make a difference if the drug he died from was a hallucinogen (say he stepped out a window) or a meth overdose?
Would it make a difference?
Let's say addiction runs in your family. If you had a daughter that died drunk driving, a son that died of a meth overdose, and another daughter that died of lung cancer, would you be more mad at one addictive drug over the other?
No. It doesn't matter. They are dead. You don't need my personal history to make your point. You can make it without it. I made it clear that he had an addiction.
btw: I am for legalizing drugs. I am also for educating people. When folks come on and act like it's fun and cool to do LSD, I am going to say something.
One more thing: As far as hallucinogens are concerned, you say
They tend not to cause negative long-term physical problems the way alcohol, nicotene, meth do.
...but they can cause sudden death by hallucinating (ie walking out a window, stepping in front of a car, etc)
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:23:06 PM PDT
this diary from its intended subject. Would it matter what killed him? I guess not. But I'm more interested in a public health perspective, maximizing resources to prevent excess deaths. You and I have a different take on some things:
btw: I am for legalizing drugs.
I'm not. There are ways to determine objective, measurable risks of morbidity and mortality from different drugs and policy - including legalization - should at least be informed by those risks. If you cook meth, the stats suggest that you are causing serious bodily harm to another human, and you should go to jail. If you grow some pot, maybe the objective risks and costs to society are less and society is not best served by a jail term.
by ivorybill on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:45:06 PM PDT
I agree, we are way off topic. I just didn't want to let people portray Democrats as pro LSD (it's so great and all)
I have gtg
Peace
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:50:37 PM PDT
I can't tell you for sure that such things have NEVER happened, since I haven't happened upon any studies on this subject.
I CAN tell you, however, that most of the lurid stories of such experiences that become well known are invariably urban legends, like the death of Diane Linkletter.
I can also say that, as of now, there is no documentation of any kind that people who've used LSD can suffer "flashbacks."
I'll say this about LSD based on the four or five times I did it when I was in my early 20s: the "hallucinations" I experienced were not of the "wow, I can fly" variety, nor of seeing things that were not there. They were more of the "wow, look at the color of the sky" variety.
I'm not recommending its use - it definitely wasn't for me, though maybe in the right setting it would have been. Cary Grant used LSD dozens (maybe hundreds?) of times, in a therapeutic setting (in a dark, quiet room, with a therapist observing) and raved about its positive effect on his mental health. A number of others had such experiences, but this was before the drug had made its way out into the streets , while it was still legal.
My main point is, the stories of people "flying" to their deaths are largely, if not completely, fiction.
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by snookybeh on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:36:07 PM PDT
I'm not making light of the tragedy you've experienced, but saying that heroin is no different than marijuana is like saying that steamed broccoli and a Big Mac are equally nutritious.
Heroin is highly addictive, usually dangerous, and ruins lives. Marijuana, on the other hand, is not addictive, studies have found no real health risks (on the contrary - a number of BENEFITS have been found), and ruins nothing more than that bag of Cheetos you shouldn't have eaten in one sitting. (Okay, THAT'S bad for you, I concede.)
Society has legitimate concerns about heroin, alcohol, crack, meth, paint huffing, cigarettes, etc. On the other hand, if some people would reach for a nice bowl of weed instead of a bottle of Scotch when they need to "unwind," the world would be a much better place.
by snookybeh on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:59:55 PM PDT
I never said anything like "heroin is not different than marijuana"
I've gtg
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:18:08 PM PDT
will not kill you.
Remember: if it's close, they'll steal it.
by ChurchofBruce on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:17:14 PM PDT
As I've gotten older I've realized there is a fatal flaw in our drug education. A lot of people try drugs because they see their friends do it, and those friends don't die the first time they try it. Dying young or the first time is very much the exception. So the kid thinks if my friend does it and has suffered no apparent harm, why can't I? 20 years down the road they are both dead. I know several hard partiers who have died in their forties, long after they do the hard partying, and have cut back to "socially acceptable" levels of "socially acceptable" drug (e.g. alcohol, etc) use.
Mojito ergo sum.
by Uniter on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:22:18 PM PDT
They're not all the same, you know.
by a wolf raised by boys on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:43:42 AM PDT
Almost everyone I knew during high school and college took large and frequent doses of practically every drug they could try in the hallucinogen class. I have have seen dozens of real cases of hallucinogenic drug use, and I still see many of these people several time a year. I can testify that I haven't seen any evidence that anyone was harmed in the slightest way by any of it.
This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.
by Mr X on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:32:58 AM PDT
We got bodies by the hundreds over the years where no one knew the victims were at risk.
Surely not the victims.
Reactions are so different, one person to another, one physical state to another.
BTW: buprenorphine is a super alternative to opiods.
Vastly easier on the addict than methadone.
by vets74 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:26:51 PM PDT
:-)
My dogs think we're all totally nuts, but how do I explain Daylight Savings Time to them?
by Shiborg on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:02:56 AM PDT
No, NEVER tried LSD. I did inhale though.
LOL...
by angrytoyrobot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:31:18 AM PDT
LSD.
It was an accident, though. I didn't mean it.
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by Marc in KS on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:05:09 AM PDT
had the title "Mayberry LSD" and showed Andy and Barney sitting on the porch, with Andy saying, "Hey, Barney, did you ever really LOOK at your hand??"
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by bwintx on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:41:50 AM PDT
"We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson
by mayan on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:53:12 AM PDT
one of the great cartoonists of recent times. Gots to give a shout out to Bizarro. Hayoooooooo!
by dirtdawg on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:32:16 AM PDT
by Hot2na on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:42:58 AM PDT
one of my favorite movies! Tried showing it to my 13 year old son a few months ago and realized you had to be 40-50 to even get the jokes. Made me feel old and kinda sad.
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by juslikagrzly on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:01:17 AM PDT
The spirit of old America......
by vets74 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:33:00 PM PDT
I forgot all about him in that movie. Good catch. :)
by Pager on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 01:54:35 PM PDT
than trashing it.
I have a son with a traumatic brain injury. Every day he struggles to take care and heal his brain.
Too bad you don't appreciate what you have.
by IamLorax on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:23:50 AM PDT
by alizard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:20:40 AM PDT
The gov't makes it very hard to get the precursor chemicals. But there's an infnite number of similar compounds and isomers so omeone is always making something. Which is a long way of saying I too have never tried LSD. :)
PS: testing testing ... You hear me government? Didn't.
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by Quicklund on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:17:53 PM PDT
I never thought I'd see more reason from Mike Huckabee on any issue than a large subset of the Democratic party.
by KilljoyAZ on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:32:58 AM PDT
Especially if you hang around here.
by iconoclastic cat on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:33:54 AM PDT
My goddess, Huck looked fraking Presidential.
Pity he thinks gays should go into the closet and women should be kitchen serfs and of course, that the planet is 6k years old.
by angrytoyrobot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:34:58 AM PDT
He's also positive in his outlook for people. What he's not is an especially deep thinker, and the path along which he found ``enlightenment'' is a rather dark one, ultimately.
Seriously, I'd be very worried if he were running instead of McCain.
Ortiz/Ramírez '08
by theran on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:38:52 AM PDT
(Nehemiah Scudder) in four years.
I will not live in a theocracy run by pseudo-Baptists. Yuck.
by angrytoyrobot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:44:59 AM PDT
"Future History" reference. :)
I wouldn't qualify for the Families though -- my parents were both fairly young when they died (though I could argue that smoking affected their lifespan)...
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by Cali Scribe on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:51:38 AM PDT
Folly is fractal: the closer you look at it, the more of it there is.
by Canadian Reader on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:53:41 AM PDT
I think he is far more astute than he is given credit for. If he isn't a deep thinker, he certainly is attune to which way the wind is blowing.
He has read this campaign and made the best of it. He should have been tossed out with the bath water, yet he held on longer than anyone. He didn't exit until the last dog was hung, and who knows what was offered to him in the way on incentive.
I don't believe for a minute Huck is going away. He will be around and moving on up for the next round.
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by importer on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 07:45:25 AM PDT
Huck sounds so sane. Particularily to the insane.
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.
by Granny Doc on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:01:58 AM PDT
Although he has some downright neanderthal positions on issues, he's got a charisma that I think would have more than made up for it, and I think he would have been a more formidable candidate than Mr. McCain Magoo.
Huck is younger than McCain. Not tainted by too much time in DC. Charismatic. Appears genuine.
On Saturday Night Live, he was actually very funny. Made fun of the fact that he hadn't yet dropped out of the race (at the time). When he talks, I get the feeling he actually believes what he says, unlike the feeling I get with McCain (or H. Clinton). He seems like a good and decent man on a personal level.
I remember thinking during one of his speeches, if Bush was the guy you'd like to have a beer with (or play Rochambeau), Huckabee is the guy I'd feel comfortable having him babysit my kids. And I was glad the Republican nominee was Magoo.
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by bejammin075 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:07:31 AM PDT
he had me the most worried because he was the most accessible and likeable of all the possible R nominees.
by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:20:17 AM PDT
Huckabee contained the most innocuous traits of both Reagan and Bush II -- which would attract the low-information voters that Clinton considers her "base".
by Cali Scribe on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:49:47 AM PDT
They wouldn't fucking dare go after a man's religion with either of them on the ticket.
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by ptmflbcs on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:33:51 AM PDT
You'd think a Republican ticket of draft dogders and TANG AWOLers wouldn't dare attack the service of a fine soldier, but they did.
I expect either HRC or B. Hussein Obama (rhymes with "Osama") to both be attacked with much vigor from the Right.
But I think Obama has shown he's the one who can deflect it and maybe even turn it around and re-direct it. Clinton is the one who will have the Right wing shit stick to her, because her negatives are already so high.
by bejammin075 on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:12:44 AM PDT
Bush likes him and it will set Mitt up to run in 2016 or 2012 if McCain only serves one term.
by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:21:07 AM PDT
Nightmare Material!!
"What, Me Worry?"...King George Walker Alfred Eusless Newman Bush
by RantNRaven on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:35:38 AM PDT
for President...
Multitasking Information Telepresence Talking
RObotic Mormon von Neumann Electronic Yesbot
M.I.T.T R.O.M.N.E.Y.
by angrytoyrobot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:55:05 AM PDT
Mitt, the plastic android, for John's VP his robot smile and Ken doll hair are as scary as can be Mitt, the plastic android, for John's VP I'd rather see John run with Mitt than to pick Mike Huck-a-bee!
everybody sing!
anyone want to try some verses?
by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:16:54 AM PDT
Romney's family looked Stepford-like.
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by CenterLeft on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:43:38 PM PDT
and apparent state of health, both physical and mental, I'd be very surprised if he lasted through a single term.
I think Huckabee would damage the country more if he were the VP at the time McCain left office.
by alizard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:25:05 AM PDT
around the country, almost uniformly full of praises of Obama's courageous speech.
I think the diarist is making sweeping generalizations of media bias based on some of Jerome Armstrong's deranged recent postings on MyDD (I agree that he's gone crazy) and the predictable rantings of the wingnut press, like FOX.
However, it is also true that Hillary has so far gotten a free pass on her so-called "vetted" past. As the diarist says, the press should "get off your asses and do some real reporting".
"The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens
by mobiusein on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:24:13 AM PDT
Which highlights all the buzz about Obamas speech
Groups Respond to Obama’s Call for National Discussion About Race
It is a sad state that some in the progressive blogosphere revert to cowering in fear of potential instead of getting out in front. It is evident by the NY times articles that the speech is being discussed in academeic and religious circles
Religious groups and academic bodies, already receptive to Mr. Obama’s plea for such a dialogue, seemed especially enthusiastic. Universities were moving to incorporate the issues Mr. Obama raised into classroom discussions and course work, and churches were trying to find ways to do the same in sermons and Bible studies.
The Obama speech was also a topic of discussion on Wednesday at the Washington office of the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy and social welfare group. Hispanics can be white, black or of mixed race.
This is not something we should be running away from. It is somethng we (all progressives) need to get behind and cheer.
by Hot2na on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:55:24 AM PDT
at work. Most of my co-workers are more liberal than most people here, and are Obama supporters (though they're Hilary's core demographic -- which says something). They follow politics pretty closely - except for one, who's also the youngest and the only guy.
His comment this morning was he wants to listen to Wright's sermons, because he doesn't believe one single thing the media cranks out. And he thinks Obama's pretty cool, and likes that he wouldn't jettison a long-time friend for political gain, even if it cost him support.
Remember - this is Eastern Shore MD, a rural, relatively conservative place. And my co-worker is a white male.
by mmacdDE on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:07:51 AM PDT
I kinda miss Huckles.
by babeuf on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:58:10 AM PDT
but he probably has one or two intemperate sermons in his own past, and he still wants to be McCain's VP (dream on, Huck).
by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:19:33 AM PDT
comment.
And more to the point, the church he used to preach at said that his past sermons are unavailable in any form.
by alizard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:46:18 PM PDT
by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 11:33:50 PM PDT
and is that an aura I see around you??
"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower
by bobdevo on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:13:33 AM PDT
An all time classic: Vincent Price plots to slip LSD into the Washington water supply.
Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical aquatic ceremony!
by imatlas on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:27:47 AM PDT
to 50-70MIL
by certainot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:36:19 AM PDT
Because we're outnumbered by the ignorant masses. When do the intelligent, good people of this nation get the president they deserve?
A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.
by charlestown dem on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 10:59:00 AM PDT
by Mr X on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:22:15 AM PDT
on nowadays. I know, I've been there - and I felt a lot more in touch with reality hallucinating my brains out than I do now.
by RAZE on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:40:58 AM PDT
wide narrow
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