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Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08
by Drdemocrat on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:26:55 PM PDT
Time to move on to the general. We need to get united behind Obama, a man whose leadership this country desparately needs. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and am hoping he will be the new Roosevelt to lead this country out of the new Depression (from the new Hoover).
Yes we can!
by leftyboy666 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:29:46 PM PDT
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by SicXitGM on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:32:19 PM PDT
The dominoes have begun to fall.
First was Richardson.
More will follow -- Edwards, then Gore.
Each will bring lead more superdelgates to see where this is inevitably heading.
And it will end. It could happen quickly, within days, much like the end of Bear Stearns. I believe it will happen for the good of the party, before PA votes.
It is time for all of this madness to end and for all of us to come together to win an amazing victory at every level, in every state, in November.
Alleluia, the great storm is over, lift up your wings and fly! -Bob Franke
by Montco PA Dem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:42:43 PM PDT
Easter Week and concedes. ;-)
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by beijingbetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:44:20 PM PDT
But I hope you win your bet.
by SicXitGM on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:46:38 PM PDT
but this is a bet I'd be happy to pay up on.
"We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson
by mayan on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:04:20 PM PDT
(Didn't say I'd make it a RICH bet...)
by beijingbetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:33:11 PM PDT
Let's see, that's about a 1/3 of a Euro, right?
by mayan on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:33:58 PM PDT
OK, I bet you 10 RMB. Howzat?
by beijingbetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:40:28 PM PDT
But I think the dollar will be negative value by then. That is to say you will have to pay a buck-fifty to put a dollar in your pocket :)
Keeping Hope Alive ||| Vote Hope Gear
by DigitalTruth on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:14:37 PM PDT
She needs to prove her point with Pa. and then hope to take Indiana (I think Obama has NC won). She will want to give the impression she is being pushed out---because this will keep the sympathy/martyr meme going. Also I believe she doesn't want her supporters to move to Obama in the GE. She wants another shot in 2012 and can only get it if he loses.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. -- Thomas Jefferson
by DWKING on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:30:20 PM PDT
I would be surprised if she'd be liking her chances of winning in 2012 if she didn't get the nomination this time.
The main reason people threw all the money they did her way was because they were convinced she was a sure thing, the next nominee of the party. Not only did she not win the way she thought she would, but her aura of inevitability scared away most of the other candidates that would have been palatable to the party elite, creating a 'worst-case scenario' for the DLCers, a real progressive as the party candidate. If she loses this time, the rich backers of the Clintons would find another horse to bet their bucks on.
by jeroly on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 03:25:28 PM PDT
The superdelegates who all lined up for her last summer would be a thing of the past too.
She'd be like Lieberman in 2004.
by Bush Bites on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:00:08 PM PDT
before they put the Reverend center stage. Then I wavered a little. Now I'm back to agreeing with you. May 6th.
Hope is the energy for change. -- Howard Zinn
by donaldw6 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:53:59 PM PDT
on Monday. ;-) Your 10 RMB will be in there.
Saw Hillary's press conference on her Wright statements... I think she's losing it, but I don't think she will concede until she really has no choice.
I am hopeful that it doesn't go to the convention... but our bet was for this week.
by beijingbetty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:49:01 AM PDT
She will sitck around until the bitter end. All people around her makes money that way, plus who dares telling her she is losing?
Even myDD starts posting weird math. So the order has come to keep spinning like crazy.
by opedn on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:11:55 PM PDT
Housing is a human right.
by maki on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:57:47 PM PDT
a while ago:
I predict Hillary will concede this coming week for the following reasons: (a) she is literally broke, will have a hard time meeting her payroll, while owing various vendors quite a sum of money, (b) she can no longer hold back superdelegates who she has previously held back from endorsing Obama, not after Richardson's endorsement last Friday, and (c) she will finally heed to party leaders to leave the primary race in dignity and try to re-unite the party for the November election. Above all, she has nothing to gain by staying in except her pride. Winning the PA primary will be pyrrhic at best, since she will be unable to make a dent in Obama's lead in pledged delegates.
I predict Hillary will concede this coming week for the following reasons:
(a) she is literally broke, will have a hard time meeting her payroll, while owing various vendors quite a sum of money,
(b) she can no longer hold back superdelegates who she has previously held back from endorsing Obama, not after Richardson's endorsement last Friday, and
(c) she will finally heed to party leaders to leave the primary race in dignity and try to re-unite the party for the November election.
Above all, she has nothing to gain by staying in except her pride. Winning the PA primary will be pyrrhic at best, since she will be unable to make a dent in Obama's lead in pledged delegates.
"The blackbird whirled in the autumn winds. It was a small part of the pantomime." Wallace Stevens
by mobiusein on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:58:14 PM PDT
Pride. She has a hard time swallowing it.
by yuppers on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:32:38 PM PDT
And fresh out of kitchen sink.
She is QUEEN HILLARY, the inevitable. They have been spending lavishly this entire campaign. It is their LIFESTYLE. One they can no longer afford.
So I don't think she will want to trudge her way to Pennsylvania either 1. on a shoestring 2. even deeper in debt, by ponying up more millions.
Come to think of it, it may be Bill who is going to sit down and talk with her. I don't think they are THAT rich, to keep throwing good money after bad. It's not about money to Pennsylvania -- they will need to fund their fight all the way to the convention floor.
She won't be in any shape to HAVE a floor fight, tattered hat in hand.
This goes back to pride, in a good way, for us.
by beijingbetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:38:07 PM PDT
It's not their own money, were the Clintons actually responsible politicans, they should be most worried about. It's the small donors that helped prop her up in the latest round of fundraising that they should be concerned about. To continue to ask them for money (when these small donors might not be those most able to afford it) to continue a war that has little hope of being won is simply not right. In any war, at some point every losing and cornered general must face the responsibility to his own men to consider surrender (interestingly enough, an honorable concept which morphed into the opposite only until Bush came along). There is no glory to be earned if there is no hope for a reversal even when fighting to the death, and it's now the Clinton's turn to consider the "surrender option" too.
by sesquioxide on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:51:35 PM PDT
But I don't think that well is deep. A lot of her donors are done donating. Especially the small donors. She never really built the network to be able to go back to them. And donors are less likely to give when they think you are LOSING.
Any probable scenario of Hillary going to the convention floor in August involves her loaning the campaign more money. They will not be able to fundraise enough, methinks...
We'll see...
by beijingbetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:07:05 PM PDT
if Japan had surrendered Before Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
It's all about her dignity now, and we know she's prideful, so I agree, she'll be out pretty soon
McCain does not support the troops
by erin r on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:22:52 PM PDT
just a little longer, maybe to raise a bit more money to pay off her campaign debt and even repay her own "loan" to the campaign?
by smeesq on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:30:13 PM PDT
for the primary and she can't use GE money to bail herself out. The truth is she did not have a lot of small donors. And with the message sinking in that she cannot win the nomination, the few she has that could possibly donate will be foolish to do so (and likely smart enough to figure out it would be money wasted).
One thing is very clear, HRC relied very heavily on the big movers, PACs and lobbyists to finance what she clearly believed would be a shoo-in to the nomination. She had no real ground game and didn't even make any real effort at grassroots fundraising. Her's was a campaign geared to corporate interests and she got burned. Once they saw she couldn't win this, they cut their losses short.
by DWKING on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:37:32 PM PDT
Wow, I just realized she is still in this to stuff her campaign coffers for whatever campaign she decides to run next. This isn't even about Obama, it's about cashing in on the people who will contribute.
by Jason H on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:46:45 PM PDT
her best opportunity to make money from small donors has passed.
Every day she is in the race just causes her to lose money.
The $3M she has left right now is basically her OWN money at this point, given her loan of $5M. I don't think she can make it up unless she is willing to 1. lay off campaign staff (a losing proposition) or 2. pony up another $5M (?) to get to the convention.
by beijingbetty on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:02:00 AM PDT
...I wonder if she is trying to make the best of the free media or just break even with her finances.
by Jason H on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:40:16 AM PDT
if you're right. If you're wrong, you don't have to do anything, but you can donate to the campaign whatever you can if you feel like it.
The psychology of the dispossessed can be truly frightening- Chinua Achebe
by 174winchell on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 03:41:11 PM PDT
I will contribute another 100 USD to the campaign. :-)
by beijingbetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:59:49 PM PDT
by 174winchell on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 09:41:38 AM PDT
comments are so wrong, I think she's still spoiling for a fight.
So much for Easter week. I am trying to be balanced about her, but every time she opens her mouth she just puts me off.
I still think this won't go to the convention. But the bet was for this week. I will make a two hundred dollar donation to the campaign on Monday. A hundred of that is for you 174winchell...
by beijingbetty on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:44:43 AM PDT
The YOKES on her!!! (I know... I suck). ;)
Time for us DEMOCRATS to take our fight directly to "GET OFF MY JOHN!" McShame. BTW, can a CHIMP, FROG march? Let's find out ... IMPEACH BUSH!!!
by VT ConQuest on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 05:03:22 AM PDT
Let's stay shy on the "inevitable" token till after January 20, 2009.
$30,000,000 beats $3,000,000 every day of the week.
Dixie Chicks, Amy Winehouse, Imus, and Rev. Wright. Overcome our evil with good.
by vets74 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:01:51 PM PDT
She'll probably sue DNC and Dean for not crowning her.
The go on suing the nation for not thanking her and choosing her to be the queen of USA. That after dodging bullet in Bosnia?
She will than declare all black people racist for not supporting a 'real' black candidate, her. And choosing that unpatriotic, un-american, not very black, probably moslem, or crazy christian,' candidate.
She will also sue every superdelegates who she has paid or given ass kissing.
... but she still won't pay her catering bills.
Then she will sue all those small vendor for not supporting her in time of need.
by opedn on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:10:12 PM PDT
by Dagoril on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:17:20 PM PDT
desperation (and for a couple of laughs), I bring you this bit of standup routine from Howard "Chuckles" Wolfson. From Politico:
"I would invite the Obama campaign to play the tape of their call yesterday at all of their rallies where Sen. Obama calls out to change the tone of our politics. ... if they think their call yesterday was consistent. ... I invite them to play it on the loudspeakers when folks are coming into the event so they can see what kind of campaign Obama is really running."
Wolfson's Sour Grapes Rant
by mayan on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:03:48 PM PDT
I love it.
Half the time they try to paint him as a wuss who can't take a punch and would get steamrolled in the general and the other half of the time they whine about him being a big ol' meanie who is taking poor widdle Hillary's lunch money.
Whatever else happens in this campaign, the one sure take-away is that the talent and abilites required for "top DLC strategist" are slightly less than those required for "assistant night manager of a convenience store".
Pays better, though, I guess.
The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi
by kingubu on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 01:29:48 PM PDT
the door. Throw away the key.
No matter how cynical I get, it's impossible to keep up.
by Flippant on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:50:40 PM PDT
by chach on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:55:38 PM PDT
What's the video about??
Creating activists' Open Source documentaries.
by augustin on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:39:09 PM PDT
Time to get out of our way cause there's something in the air!
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by tnichlsn on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:04:32 PM PDT
by jpetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:24:54 PM PDT
adjective ( pettier |ˈpɛdiər|, pettiest |ˈpɛdi1st|) 1 of little importance; trivial : the petty divisions of party politics. • (of behavior) characterized by an undue concern for trivial matters, esp. in a small-minded or spiteful way : he was prone to petty revenge on friends and family.
by tnichlsn on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:34:24 PM PDT
by jpetty on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:57:19 PM PDT
You mean riposte.
by apotropaic on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:24:45 PM PDT
Dear DHinMI . . .
In your reference to Bill's temper, you questioned you source, Disk Morris. I think the depth of pain Lewis and Richardson experienced when they decided to endorse Barack Obama may provide insight. Also, I offer . . .
Bill Clinton, Stumping and Simmering Patrick Healy New York Times January 18, 2008 Mr. Clinton’s temper has been an issue for him as long as he has been in public life. But it has played an unusual role during the current campaign, his face turning red in public nearly every week, often making headlines as he defends his wife and injects himself, whether or not intentionally, into her race in sometimes distracting ways. Some Clinton advisers say the campaign is trying to rein him in somewhat, so that his outbursts become less of a factor to reporters, but his flashes of anger only seem to be growing. Last week, for instance, a clearly agitated Mr. Clinton told Dartmouth students that it was a “fairy tale” for Mr. Obama to contend that he had been consistently against the war in Iraq. And in December he said that voters supporting Mr. Obama were willing to “roll the dice” on the presidency. “The bottom line is, his outbursts don’t help the campaign,” said James A. Thurber of American University, an analyst of the presidency and Congress. “They become an issue, and it can grow into a real problem. I think the campaign is worried about him right now.”
Bill Clinton, Stumping and Simmering Patrick Healy New York Times January 18, 2008
Mr. Clinton’s temper has been an issue for him as long as he has been in public life. But it has played an unusual role during the current campaign, his face turning red in public nearly every week, often making headlines as he defends his wife and injects himself, whether or not intentionally, into her race in sometimes distracting ways.
Some Clinton advisers say the campaign is trying to rein him in somewhat, so that his outbursts become less of a factor to reporters, but his flashes of anger only seem to be growing. Last week, for instance, a clearly agitated Mr. Clinton told Dartmouth students that it was a “fairy tale” for Mr. Obama to contend that he had been consistently against the war in Iraq. And in December he said that voters supporting Mr. Obama were willing to “roll the dice” on the presidency.
“The bottom line is, his outbursts don’t help the campaign,” said James A. Thurber of American University, an analyst of the presidency and Congress. “They become an issue, and it can grow into a real problem. I think the campaign is worried about him right now.”
It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Betsy L. Angert BeThink
by Bcgntn on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 02:35:17 PM PDT
But I guess I should have suspected it.
by Bush Bites on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:03:45 PM PDT
wide narrow
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