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think the election should be more like American Idol - all image and popularity and hype and light on talent.
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by Tracker on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:40:09 AM PDT
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by Matt Jordan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:40:57 AM PDT
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by jdmorg on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:41:58 AM PDT
"all image and popularity and hype and light on talent. "
The perfect plan, Is not the man Who tells you, You are wrong
by dss on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:42:03 AM PDT
...a new model of punditry
Wouldn’t it be great if punditry worked more like Jeopardy? Whoever has scored the highest by the end of the day gets to come back and play the next day. Those who got more of their answers wrong are never heard from again.
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by KingOneEye on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:49:39 AM PDT
...is consigned to the dustbin of history (where torn out kitchen sinks belong) Obama's speech will be cited, analysed, praised, and remembered.
Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour? Monty Python
by Brit on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:43:18 AM PDT
I think this speech is going to be remembered alongside the other biggies....
Four score and seven years ago... We have nothing to fear but fear itself... Ask not what your country can do for you... I have a dream...
and Obama's "Toward a more perfect union"...
by leftyboy666 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:46:03 AM PDT
will go down as a grand example of going off half-cocked and reaching judgement before reviewing the evidence - not an example of either good reasoning or fair justice.
If she has viewed even one of Rev Wright's sermons in its entirety - to get the context of even one of the statements being endlessly looped at Faux News, I will eat my keyboard.
If she has viewd in their entirety more than 2 of his sermons, including at least one not related to the selective excerpts, I will eat the rest of this machine.
She probably has not even read or listened to Obama's speech. She is too busy saying millions of words a day - some of which will no doubt be true.
Think of the constitution as a levee. Think of our democracy as New Orleans.
by Into The Woods on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59:59 AM PDT
Hillary should have stayed away from this one. She has just cut her last ties to the black community by (a lot will perceive) criticizing the black church. I doubt there will be any reconcilliation behind this one. Black folks will either not vote or vote for McCain. We are not unfamiliar with being screwed anyway. Why would she think she can insult a hispanic governor and inject negative and ignorant(by the way) comments about the black church and expect support if she steals the nomination. It won't happen. It will be Obama or McCain, unless she can win without those two voting blocks (which make up a significant portion of the democratic base.)
by Trinitarian on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:47:35 AM PDT
I doubt there will be any reconcilliation behind this one. Black folks will either not vote or vote for McCain.
Ok, now I'm really confused. Why would blacks vote for McCain or not vote because of something that Hillary said? It seems to me you left out the fact that 90% of the black people in this nation are voting for Obama. And any black person who was voting for Hillary would certainly be turned away from her and towards Obama by her latest screed.
by Katiebegood on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:29:15 PM PDT
I think Trinitarian meant that many blacks will vote for McCain if Hillary is chosen as our nominee.
by YoGo on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:37:56 PM PDT
Let me put it this way. Hillary is getting very little of the black vote in the primary. I think that will continue in the general election even if she is the nominee. This would be a direct result of Hillary speaking against Dr. Wright. This is likely to be considered an attack on the black church. Not good for her. By the way, did you know that it was Dr. Wright who was at the White House with Bill Clinton praying with and standing up for him(Bill) when he was going through that Monica Lewinski thing? My how things change. You should see the pictures.
by Trinitarian on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:54:15 PM PDT
of what the black church means to politics. I don't think many people realize that many political candidates (of all ethnic backgrounds) come to the black church if they are running for office. I can't tell you how many Sunday's I have listened to politicians "introduce" themselves to the black community. This has been an invaluable way for many politicians to be in contact with parts of the community that they would normally not have much access to. I wonder how many of these churches are reassessing this access? I think this could hurt more people than just Hillary Clinton.
by KMonique on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:58:24 PM PDT
by Trinitarian on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 01:14:45 PM PDT
As of this date, I've not seen any statement by her or her campaign that Hillary has watched the Obama speech. It seems a bit careless to be commenting on the speech or the controversy when she admits that she is so out of the loop.
by ruscle on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 01:58:05 PM PDT
but based on sound bites are especially repugnant when you are dealing with those that are supposed to be your friends.
I wish someone would ask her if she had listend to even one sermon of Rev. Wright in its entirety.
To throw a friend under the bus for your own personal benefit is bad enough.
To do so based on Fox News soundbites shows no loyalty and little judgement.
by Into The Woods on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:46:57 PM PDT
is not just a Fox News helper,but a Hillary Clinton messenger.
by christine20 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:43:21 AM PDT
The guy is dumb as a fencepost.
He was a complete embarrassment to NPR (back when I actually respected NPR...of course those days are long gone now).
by leftyboy666 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:47:35 AM PDT
I tried to listen to him once, why did I even bother.
As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."
by Lady Bird Johnson on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:56:03 AM PDT
The problem is that he doesn't agree with Obamabots and that is a big no-no here.
by PssttCmere on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:22:17 AM PDT
Then I wouldn't have a problem with Williams.
by Devilstower on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:41:33 AM PDT
by Katiebegood on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:31:30 PM PDT
I think he plays dumb in order to be a concern troll.
by Yoshimi on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:02:28 AM PDT
by cndc on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:26:48 AM PDT
I expect that NPR will be back to it's former glory when Obama is president. NPR is currently packed with right wingers and that will change soon.
by Katiebegood on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:30:25 PM PDT
but that's exactly what they think. And that's why you have Hillary and Obama.
Edwards was by far the most substantive candidate, but that is not what the media wants. It wants flash.
I am liking Obama more by the day, but his is definitely an American Idol candidacy.
It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. -- Thomas Jefferson
by AtlantaJan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:50:06 AM PDT
His popularity does not diminish his substance. You are underestimating his supporters woefully and the man unjustly.
John McCain "Beware the terrible simplifiers" Jacob Burckhardt, Historian
by notquitedelilah on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:54:06 AM PDT
I like Obama, but I think he had less substance than Edwards on domestic issues and less substance than Biden on foreign policy. Dodd was better on FISA and the courts.
He was the ultimate American Idol candidate, with Hillary a close second. He made it because he was an attractive, eloquent candidate.
Furthermore, most of my best friends are Obama supporters who have been trying to drag me onto the bandwagon from the get-go, so I would never dis his supporters -- except the ones who themselves have so little substance that they say if he's not the candidate, they will either stay home or vote for McCain. Them, I dis.
by AtlantaJan on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:04:41 AM PDT
He may have come out with more detailed plans earlier, but his record in the senate doesn't match his plans. Obama has had more legislative experience and damn good bills past than Edwards during his time in the senate.
I get really annoyed with Edwards supporters continually compare Obama with Edwards PLANS, but not his records.
Nothing can stand in the way of a million voices calling for change! - Obama
by jalenth on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:09:27 AM PDT
and eloquent as well. So surely that can't be all of Obama's appeal.
by redstatedemocrat on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:16:00 AM PDT
Edwards and Biden as president, and Obama bests them in overall substance. He is the best all around president. Plus he's eager, he wants to learn and be better at what he does. You can see that from his campaign's learning curve over the past year.
also, he will have the awesome responsibility of being the first American president, If his presidency does not prove itself he may also be the last American president. That is a responsibility unmatched in its historic percussiveness and will provide a powerful incentive to do the right thing.
by notquitedelilah on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:19:22 AM PDT
We who care about the details and the policy congregate in places like this. But we are few in number, and vote predictably.
America is voting for a symbol. The Presidency is our shared symbol, the gathering of our hopes and, sometimes, fears. More often fears, I suppose.
Obama is a symbol of hope. All the rest of it...I wrote elsewhere, in my private blog, that all candidates for high office have been bought and paid for and compromised, else they'd not be in line.
So I'm voting for a symbol. I can live with that.
I'm also voting for a symbol who I think can do the job, who thinks elegantly, who is fundamentally honorable, who processes dissenting opinions and engages in actual thought.
That's what we have to sell the American people. That's our product, our brand. Sorry if it's shallow, but we cannot spend our whole time here preaching to our small choir.
Beware all ventures which require new clothes, and not a new wearer of clothes. -- Henry David Thoreau
by Shocko from Seattle on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:28:20 AM PDT
is that he doesn't claim to have all the answers, unlike Hillary Rove Clinton. I also don't need him to come up with complete plans and policies right now because he doesn't know what he will be walking into in January 2009. I do have faith that he will surround himself with the best and the brightest in all areas of governmental responsibility and that he will listen to what they have to say.
Obama wasn't my first choice (Kucinich was), but I have grown to really like him and admire him. I think he will make a fine president.
by Katiebegood on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 12:45:14 PM PDT
qualities. In more indirect ways, that is what both Obama and Clinton are trying to say they have greater than the other.
The others in the field of Dem candidates were in many ways more qualified - but they could not inspire or motivate the bulk of the people to follow them. (I have always puzzled about why Edwards did not reach more people this way and have no satisfactory answer.)
It does no good to have a map if no one will follow you to a better place.
It is in this substantive quality that transformative leaders rise above the rest.
It is this quality, so clear (if undefined)to the masses of ordinary folk and mostly unmentioned by the media, that Obama has like no other politician in recent memory.
It is close to popularity, but not quite the same.
Because leadership, at least good leadership, does not involve pandering or telling the people what they want want to hear in the American Idol way, but rather in telling the people what they need to hear.
Good leadership does not pit us against one another to achieve some tactical end, but calls us together towards a more strategic approach to identifying and achieving our common goals.
Here again, this approach to leadership is clear in how Obama is running his campaign - and how they run is how they'll govern.
by Into The Woods on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:11:37 AM PDT
I abandoned Edwards after an early period of supporting him after he declared precisely because I thought he lacked substance, and I was disappointed because his theme of Two Americas had always captivated me. I arrived at Obama only after becoming constantly impressed and even amazed at his substantive strength, his vision and his solid core of belief that lend a coherence and credibility to not only his words, but to the positions that he takes.
That he is a gifted orator does not make me think less of him. That the media spins him as the American Idol candidate does not convince me.
by Mother of Zeus on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:09:44 AM PDT
as soon as he started vilifying corporations without offering what their proper role should be. It sounded to me like pandering, painting an evil bogeyman that is "bad" and that kind of politicking turns me off cuz it's so shallow.
I too am confused by the "substance" of Edwards. I like him and easily support him. But I don't see this great towering difference between him and the others that his supporters do.
All extremists are irrational and should be exposed
by SeanF on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:33:30 AM PDT
...you had me up until the very end. ;(
I'm still hoping (not very likely, I know) that Edwards will be on the ticket
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by jds1978 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:40:41 AM PDT
At its core politics is persuasion. If by good argument or by flash is a matter of aesthetics. Others may not be motivated in the same way as you or more to the point the way one thinks they ought to be. Nor can you remove the media or expect it to be different without imagining the populace as a whole to also be different.
by SeniorDingDong on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 02:54:47 PM PDT
why wouldn't a MEDIA organization not want to mimick their formula for success :)
I got bored with the "american politcal idol" punditry a while ago... when I realized it was NEWS I was after and none was being offered by these people...
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by KnotIookin on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:50:35 AM PDT
and that is why her negatives, as well as that of MSM, are rising each day.
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by agnostic on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:54:55 AM PDT
some contestant last night decided to appeal to the wingnut watchers and chose that awful song by Lee Greenwood, God Bless the USA. It sparked a controversy where bloggers are debating it. And the judges called it brilliant because what could they say, if they criticized her song choice, they would be called " UnPatriotic". It started a firestorm online and sparked debate about manipulating people by using fake patriotic ploys and the role of jingoism.
Ummmm..that will be the only time that Mindless Entertainment has a political debate on its message boards...LOL>>!!!
The one thing we know about the McCain campaign...is that they're very good at negative campaigns, they're not so good at governing- Barack Obama
by wishingwell on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:58:37 AM PDT
she'll sing God Bless America
by MiddleCity2000 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:15:08 AM PDT
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by Into The Woods on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:19:44 AM PDT
choice for HER. She was on her way out and appealed to the hick constitutiency. My husband and I looked at each other and said, "She'll sound great at the rodeo." I wonder if any of the judges has ever been to a rodeo?
On a side-note this is another area where I am resentful of the hijacking of my country by the rabid right. I used to get a lump in my throat when I heard that song. Now it makes me gag. The song hasn't changed...but now I associate all the over-the-top patriotism with the underbelly of nasty persecution that went on. The documentary Shut Up and Sing makes me feel far more proud to be an American that Lee Greenwood does.
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by TexasLiz on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:28:31 AM PDT
of Springsteen's Born in the USA by Reagan all those years ago? As a long term fan, that mis-use of a political critique anthem for un-reflective patriotism has always rankled me, even when I was a Republican!
by JulieUnplugged on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:37:33 AM PDT
Lousy Bowlers for Obama
by paintitblue on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:26:54 AM PDT
I believe them when they say they are better for it an no regrets, but I was so ashamed at the way they were treated. Seeing those bulldozers smashing cds and people cheering. And the threats. It is not so hard to imagine how Hitler whipped up such righteous hate toward "other people" that justifies....just about anything. It was such a low point.
by TexasLiz on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 02:26:18 PM PDT
this multi award winning song. I love this !!
by wishingwell on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:06:48 PM PDT
is a pretty excellent rock singer.
by Loquatrix on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:59:57 AM PDT
by PssttCmere on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:21:19 AM PDT
Newspapers and magazines way back in the 1800's sensationalized the elections. It's gotten worse only because there's more and quicker media.
But WE are now part of the media.
Think about that.
I can go to a Hillary Rally, film it, and point out lies she making, post it on YouTube, and ruin a candidacy.
THAT'S what's scaring the fuck out of the powerful. REAL democracy.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room! - President Merkin Muffley
by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:54:58 AM PDT
wide narrow
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