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  •  I'd love to say I'm being snarky (2+ / 0-)

    and reading my post again does make it sound that way.

    But come on, whether we have 10 ID cards like we do now, or if we have one ID card, a corrupt government like the Bush team could still snoop.

    Let's look at the traits of Real ID:

    Key to their plans to keep track of us was Real ID, the state government-issued ID card that would replace our driver's license with a national ID card that would have a chip including, at a minimum, name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that would allow the data to be shared in federal databases--the ones that already store all that other data being picked up by the TIA programs.

    Wow, the government will know my name, sex, address, appearance, and birth date!  OMFG!!!!

    Seriously, if they don't know that stuff already, between the Social Security administration and the IRS and the California Department of Motor Vehicles, then they are even more incompetent than I realized.

    If this were a true invasion of privacy like warrantless wiretapping, I'd be up in arms against it.  But I think many of y'all are protesting a bit too much.

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    by existenz on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:12:34 PM PDT

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    •  If you knew how many times I have moved (0+ / 0-)

      you would realize what a burden this is.

      It's one thing stretching the deadlines to state governments, but if I do that with the feds, I may end up in Guantanamo!

      I still haven't managed to get a straight answer out of any state gov't what "moving" or "residence" really means anyway.  "Well, is it your intention to stay?" they ask.  "Well, I don't know, I want to stay for the next couple of weeks, but might change my mind tommorow."  I drive 'em crazy.

    •  The problem is GPS / RFID chips embedded (7+ / 0-)

      in them like mini-EZ Passes.

      Where I am is my business, and I don't want to run out of places to hide when they issue NO waRrAnt for my arreSt on trumped up drug charges and try to get Blackwater troops to send me to gitmo.

      Not on your life. Not with these cretins running the country.

      We are so close to it, you have renew your passport to fully appreciate their little plans. It could be a good ole texas roundup if we let it pass. I am not shitting you about this.

      What do you think Congress is giving it cover for?

      The real problem is enabling patrician governance hawks on both sides of the freaking aisle. That's the problem with DWS, IMhO.

      And this paranoia is real. Not snark at all.

      "Change doesn't happen from the top down; it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

      by ezdidit on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM PDT

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      •  I'm lucky (2+ / 0-)

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        I renewed my passport right before the switched to the chip-embedded ones. So for 10 years at least, I don't have to worry.

        But I agree, there's no reason for them to be tracking and batching together all the information about a person.

        •  ...unless they just want to run us netroots down (2+ / 0-)

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          and throw us in the slammer for good old freedom of speechifying...and voting progressive. And not letting them pull off yet another subversion of democracy which is Bush-lite in a nutshell. If we're lucky, HRC would let us get abortions for free. That would probably be her best idea for "universal health care."

          Neocon is just another word for strong governance. It's not limited to Republicans, BL, it's endemic among some of our Congresspersons - they really think they know better, when all they want is all the mopney and all the power centralized in the hands of corporations and authoritarians. ...look at the trends....

          "Change doesn't happen from the top down; it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

          by ezdidit on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:41:10 PM PDT

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          •  Karl Rove masturbating to all the TIA Info... (0+ / 0-)

            I can just imagine Rove poring over all of this Total Information Awareness information that the Bushies have stolen from Americans as he calculates the behavior of Democrats and Republicans and how he can try to manipulate behavior to get McCain elected with that magical, mystical Rovian formula of 51%-49%.  You know these sick fucks on the Republican side are treasure troving the TIA info in their own nefarious databases.  Sick, man, sick.

        •  And, I just got my driver's license (2+ / 0-)

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          renewed for another five years. Whew!

          "This is not our America and we need to take it back." John Edwards.

          by mcmom on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:15:19 PM PDT

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      •  I need to renew my passport...what's the hassle (0+ / 0-)

        you're referring to, ezdidit?

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:48:14 PM PDT

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        •  ezdidit is just plain paranoid (1+ / 0-)

          I'm sorry, but I haven't seen anything outside of tinfoil country saying that these cards have GPS locators in them.  That's ludicrous!

          The chips are the same chips found in credit cards and supermarket club cards that allow them to be scanned. Chips are a bit harder to fake than magnetic strips, but they don't allow 24-hour GPS location services.

          Look, if these Real ID cards were like the locator bracelets that parole officers put on ex-felons, I'd be against them too.  But it sound to me like they are a more secure, harder-to-fake, consolidated version of ID cards that we ALREADY HAVE.

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          by existenz on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:01:39 PM PDT

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          •  Paranoid? Maybe... (0+ / 0-)

            It depends on the kind of chips that are in the cards. I agree that GPS is not valid, but RFID chips could be a danger.

            There are two kinds of chip generally available:

            1. Proximity chips must be within 1-1.5 centimeters of the reader to be recognised.
            1. Vicinity chips must be within 1-1.5 meters of the reader; that means that someone can read your data as you walk by them or as they walk past you.

            It is conceivable that chips exist with ranges that are much greater, allowing the authorities to read the chips of everyone in a meeting room, for example. Such chips would probably not be made publicly available, but kept for nefarious purposes by the authoritarians authorities...

            The Prince of Peace has been usurped by the God of War.

            by Spoc42 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:08:06 AM PDT

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          •  ezdidit is not paranioid. (0+ / 0-)

            It doesn't take much imagination to see how easily the RFID technology can be abused.  Law enforcement has already admitted they scan you for radiological evidence without your knowledge or permission.  All they need do is embed RFID readers in roadways and they will have a record of your every move.  But you've done nothing wrong so you have nothing to fear.  Right?

            -7.38/-6.82 What do dogs know of doorknobs?

            by wagdog on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:58:04 AM PDT

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            •  Real ID and RFID (1+ / 0-)

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              Currently RFID is not required for Real ID.  However, we are seeing RFID included in Real ID-compliant "enhanced driver's licenses" in border states.  So the danger of the confluence of these programs is certainly there.  

              Because freedom can't protect itself.

              by ACLU on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:50:45 AM PDT

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          •  paranoid, huh? (0+ / 0-)

            Your RFID-Chipped Passport Is Made In Thailand and China 'Stole' the Chip Tech
            by Magnifico

            Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:30:34 PM PDT

            Remember this?

            Back in September 2006, Bruce Schneier wrote about the The ID Chip You Don't Want in Your Passport in the Washington Post:

               If you have a passport, now is the time to renew it -- even if it's not set to expire anytime soon. If you don't have a passport and think you might need one, now is the time to get it. In many countries, including the United States, passports will soon be equipped with RFID chips. And you don't want one of these chips in your passport...

               RFID chips don't have to be plugged in to a reader to operate...

               The risk to you is the possibility of surreptitious access: ...

               Your passport information might be read without your knowledge or consent by a government trying to track your movements, a criminal trying to steal your identity or someone just curious about your citizenship.

               At first the State Department belittled those risks, but in response to criticism from experts it has implemented some security features. Passports will come with a shielded cover, making it much harder to read the chip when the passport is closed. And there are now access-control and encryption mechanisms, making it much harder for an unauthorized reader to collect, understand and alter the data.

            Well it appears the Bush administration decided to outsource the manufacture of your RFID passport to a company in Thailand that has, in the past, been vulnerable to Chinese espionage. So the bad idea of having RFID chips in our American passports just got worse.

            According to a response to a question by the U.S. State Department:

               Q: Describe the State Department’s role, if any, in the decision by the Government Printing Office to use a factory in Thailand for assembling the components of U.S. passport. Can the Department reject a manufacturer selected by the GPO?

               A: GPO and Department of State employees jointly evaluated proposals from several companies to supply the unprinted passport cover (which contains the chip and antenna and the only part of the passport not produced or assembled by GPO). The GPO/State evaluation committee recommended the two companies selected as there were no American manufacturers who could provide the needed product. GPO signed the contracts with these companies on behalf of the U.S. Government.

               Q: When the Department began its e-passport program, were there any American companies that produced the electronic chips needed for those passports?

               A: We are not aware of any U.S. companies that made the chips that could satisfy the requirements of the e-Passport Request for Proposal at the time we launched our e-Passport program and we received no acceptable proposals from them.

            The Bush administration proceeding with the RFID chipped passport plan fully knowing that no U.S.-based company could manufacture the chips they required. The Bush administration deliberately compromised the security of American citizens abroad by out-sourcing the production of the already dubious "secure" RFID chipped passports.

            But, it gets worse. According to Bill Gertz of the Moonie Times, er Washington Times, which seems to have broken the story, the outsourced passports are netting government profits by risking national security.

            And just like the Bush administration belittled concerns about the RFID chipped passports when they were announced, once again the administration is again is belittling criticism that the passports are being manufactured overseas.

               Officials at GPO, the Homeland Security Department and the State Department played down such concerns, saying they are confident that regular audits and other protections already in place will keep terrorists and foreign spies from stealing or copying the sensitive components to make fake passports.

            In the past years we've seen how little oversight the Bush administration actually provides over their contractors from pallets of cash going missing en route to Iraq, to slave labor being used to build the Baghdad embassy, to Blackwater mercenaries shoot-to-kill tactics in Iraq. So, when officials in the Bush administration says "trust us", that's the last thing I would do. Especially when they offer no supporting evidence there are even any protections in place or practices being audited. The GPO's own inspector general does not even believe the Bush administration's assurances either.

               But GPO Inspector General J. Anthony Ogden, the agency's internal watchdog, doesn't share that confidence. He warned in an internal Oct. 12 report that there are "significant deficiencies with the manufacturing of blank passports, security of components, and the internal controls for the process."

               The inspector general's report said GPO claimed it could not improve its security because of "monetary constraints."

            But then the cash-strapped GPO is actually profiting from the overseas outsourcing of the passport manufacture. Security is being compromised for the sake of profits.

            Of course, Democratic members of the House, such as Rep. John D. Dingell (D-MI) and Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI), are concerned about both the outsourcing and the profits being accrued by the GPO, but the Congressional hearings and investigation may not come soon enough.

               Rep. Bennie Thompson, Mississippi Democrat and chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, criticized the GPO for using foreign components in new electronic passports.

               "It is just plain irresponsible to jeopardize the gold standard in document security by outsourcing production when U.S. companies ought to be able to do the same work here," said Mr. Thompson, who announced that his panel is investigating the outsourcing...

               "Questions alone about the production and chain of custody of blank U.S. passports can send shock waves through our homeland security infrastructure," he said.

            For the GPO, the profits from ignoring security were large and the incentives from compromise were grand. According to the Washington Times story:

               The Government Printing Office's decision to export the work has proved lucrative, allowing the agency to book more than $100 million in recent profits by charging the State Department more money for blank passports than it actually costs to make them...

               The profits have raised questions both inside the agency and in Congress because the law that created GPO as the federal government's official printer explicitly requires the agency to break even by charging only enough to recover its costs.

            So, under the Bush administration the GPO is possibly breaking federal law by making $100 million in profits on the outsourcing of passport manufacture all the while not having adequate security for the already security-vulnerable RFID chipped passports. According to another Washington Times story, the GPO profits go to bonuses and trips. Big bonuses worth a total of $181,593 were given to twenty-five GPO officials in amounts ranging between $2,000 and $12,920, "Public Printer Robert C. Tapella paid close to $10,000 for photographs of himself for his office", and expensive trips to Paris, London, Tokyo, and Las Vegas were taken.

            Officials at the GPO and your new RFID chipped passport may be more well traveled than you are. According to the Washington Times story:

               After the computer chips are inserted into the back cover of the passports in Europe, the blank covers are shipped to a factory in Ayutthaya, Thailand, north of Bangkok, to be fitted with a wire Radio Frequency Identification, or RFID, antenna. The blank passports eventually are transported to Washington for final binding, according to the documents and interviews.

            Your passport has traveled from the Netherlands to Thailand to the United States before you even leave the country. This is what the U.S. State Department advises about Thailand to Americans traveling to that country.

               The State Department is concerned that there is an increased risk of terrorism in Southeast Asia, including in Thailand... They should remain vigilant with regard to their personal security and avoid crowds and demonstrations...

               In September 2006 a military group calling itself the Council for National Security (CNS) seized control of the Thai government and declared martial law... The Department of State advises all American citizens residing in or traveling to Bangkok to continue to monitor events closely...

               The far south of Thailand has been experiencing almost daily incidents of criminally and politically motivated violence, including incidents attributed to armed local separatist/extremist groups...

            That's just a brief excerpt from the thirteen paragraphs cautioning Americans about their security in Thailand. Just earlier this month, the international arms dealer, Viktor Bout, the Russian "Merchant of Death" was captured in Thailand. Plus as recently as 2002, Thailand has been questioned as a safe haven for al Qaeda and today the Thai government is battling a "deadly insurgency in its predominantly-Muslim southern provinces." Thailand is hardly a stable and secure place to manufacture U.S. passports and the manufacturing company agrees:

               The Netherlands-based company that assembles the U.S. e-passport covers in Thailand, Smartrac Technology Ltd., warned in its latest annual report that, in a worst-case scenario, social unrest in Thailand could lead to a halt in production.

               Smartrac divulged in an October 2007 court filing in The Hague that China had stolen its patented technology for e-passport chips, raising additional questions about the security of America's e-passports.

            Taken altogether, this is an incredible debacle once again perpetrated by short-sighted, unimaginative officials in the Bush administration. I wonder if it is simply just greed and corruption or worse, complete stupidity? I think RFID chipped passports need to be abandoned and the potentially compromised passports that have already been issued to American citizens need to be replaced with traditional, chip-free passports.

            Democrats in Congress are planning to investigate the passport debacle, but such investigations and hearings take time, especially when butting up against an uncooperative and secretive administration. Action needs to be taken now, not in ten months when a new administration is in power.

            "Change doesn't happen from the top down; it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

            by ezdidit on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:54:54 PM PDT

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      •  ezdidit, I have to renew my passport...what (0+ / 0-)

        are the hassles you refer to?

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:57:56 PM PDT

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        •  (Sorry, post comment thingy is doing weird stuff) (0+ / 0-)

          Which just goes to show...!

          "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

          by 417els on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:00:06 PM PDT

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        •  the chip embedded in the new passport is configur (0+ / 0-)

          ed for photo verification & immigration information.

          It ALSO has basic access control and "contactless" proximity transmission, like EZ Pass, only shorter range, more like Exxon-Mobil's speedpass and Mastercard's "blink" technology.

          How easy will it be to embed GPS tracking in a few more Moore years ?  

          Passports probably will be recalled for changeover to GPS technology within 5 years unless more sensitive readers can be devised as "trackers." (2013 is the target date for a technological security "fence" around Canada, Mexico and the U.S. - check out The Council on Foreign Relations.)

          I am not too sanguine about our prospects without New Deal protections, or the corporations will own us outright.

          "Change doesn't happen from the top down; it happens from the bottom up." Barack Obama

          by ezdidit on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 08:28:56 PM PDT

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          •  A lead passport holder....? That help? nt (0+ / 0-)

            "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

            by 417els on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:49:12 PM PDT

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            •  no, tinfoil. (2+ / 0-)

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              Aluminum foil. Aluminized Mylar. Make a Faraday cage around it and RFIDs don't talk to anybody.

              I suspect that in the next few years, we're going to see shielded wallets for sale.

              It isn't just about the Feds and passports.

              RFID tech isn't rocket science, and it won't be long before criminals start carrying their own RFID scanners with directional antennas. . . for reading other people's credit cards. Or reading the amount of currency in other people's wallets.

              The Euro already has RFID tags built-in. How long before this winds up in dollar bills?

              Those of you who think you have nothing to hide, are you sure?

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              by alizard on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:13:50 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know. (0+ / 0-)

        I keep misplacing my wallet, having a GPS chip in my ID would be great. I mean I could call the local branch of (Insert name here)and ask them where my ID was. Beats spending the 5 minutes it would take looking for it. Plus while they have me on the phone they can remind me that I need to pay my phone bill and that my hard drive needs the Defragmenter ran. Its all good.[/snark]

        Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a training manual.

        by Animayhem on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:33:06 PM PDT

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