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that if Hillary had the lead, they'd be praising Dean for his leadership right now.
oops. I hope the gate wasn't too expensive.
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by hekebolos on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:22:28 PM PDT
not take that bet.
But please.. can't someone MAKE IT STOP?
Enough already. Al Gore.. John Edwards.. press conference.. now.
Blind faith in bad leaders is not patriotism - Rocky Anderson
by librarianman on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:24:08 PM PDT
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somehow this ended up in another diary.
This is hilarious.
I used to work for Michael Kempner in the 90's.
His secretary had her own secretary. He was that kind of a guy.
Unless Michael sold the company for some outrageous profit, I just don't see how he is THAT loaded to think he is an overly important donor.
I think he was college roomates with the senator who was prior to Lautenburg. The bald dude. I so can't dig that far back in my brain. ah! Torricelli!
Anyways, when Torricelli was in the senate battle of his life in '96 the day before the election Michael sent out this threatening email to THE ENTIRE company (those of us in DC, Seattle, Chicago, wherehave you) that it was IMPERATIVE for the firm that everyone vote for Torricelli. ...or ELSE! da-da-dun!
ok then! delete! and on with my life.
Anyways, those were some fun days working for "Michael World Wide" (what we guessed the firms initials to really mean).
by MFL on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:32:34 PM PDT
In 1996, if someone had sent me an email like that, I would have immediately looked for and found another job (in 96 it was pretty easy in the IT field, and I would have had one in probably 2 hours), and then replied to the man: Fuck you, you do not control my vote.
John McCain for President. And go f**k yourself!
by slippytoad on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:15:42 PM PDT
The guy behind this, Michael Kempner, is an odd one. He runs a PR firm that has benefitted from Bill Clinton's friendship. It's a very cozy world that Mr. Kempner lives in.
So I just want to make sure that from here on out, any Google search for Michael Kempner of MWW Group will show this post, where we document that he is threatening to take his ball and whine all the way home if the fake delegates from the fake primaries of Florida and Michigan aren't seated. If Hillary Clinton can't beat Obama fair and square, Mr. Kempner believes she should be able to cheat her way home, or he's telling his big bucks Friends of Bill donors not to give money to Democrats any more.
What a whiney dude?
There, this post should make for some really nice PR next time someone tries to google MWW Group. If you could all promise to google some of these words and click on the link to this post (which may not show up for a day), that would help.
by ne plus ultra on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:20:12 PM PDT
turns up the fact that he's also a lobbyist.
He's not even a democrat who gives because he likes democratic causes. He's just a friggin' hired gun who gives money to get influence for his clients.
Isn't that rich, a lobbyist whining that he doesn't have enough influence over the party unless we seat fake delegates from fake primaries.
by ne plus ultra on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:22:34 PM PDT
Rules is rules, folks. Do not seat Michigan or Florida!
Personally, I like the idea of smaller states going first; it means the candidates have to get out and talk, not just flood the airwaves. It levels the field.
The problem is, of course, the elections are determined at the state level, so if the GOP decides to screw you over and make you have primaries early, you end up in the same boat, where the candidate with the money and name recognition gets the votes.
Al Gore.. John Edwards.. press conference.. now.
Hmmm. I would vote that ticket!
"People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V
by MikeTheLiberal on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:54:34 PM PDT
replacement.
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by Yoshimi on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:28:24 PM PDT
That's what Howard would be if HRC were leading.
And the 50-state would be "dead strategy walking".
The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier
by N in Seattle on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:29:50 PM PDT
I cannot imagine Dean would last the week if HRC is nominated in Denver.
And as Dean goes, so goes us all.
One more reason to pile it on.
Think of the constitution as a levee. Think of our democracy as New Orleans.
by Into The Woods on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:12:01 PM PDT
Half of the superdelegates are DNC members and/or state party officials. They loooove the 50-state strategy, and they know who backs it.
by N in Seattle on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:35:16 PM PDT
... appearing on FOX News and spreading her poison?
I think we need to turn the focus back on her serial LYING.
No wonder she's supported by Ann Coulter - they're two peas in a FOX News pod.
by brentmack on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:28:48 PM PDT
to your loose usage of the term "Lady"
by Anthony Segredo on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:35:06 PM PDT
I object to your loose usage of the term "Lady"
That was a little bit sexist of me.
by brentmack on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:42:19 PM PDT
If Hillary had the lead and MI and FL were Obama states, then what you say could be true.
How many net delegates (range) will Hillary win if MI and FL are counted as such?
Help! I can't tell the Republican trolls apart from the Democratic trolls, anymore!
by Bronxist on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:30:20 PM PDT
that if Hillary were in the lead and Obama needed Florida to remain competitive... it would be a totally different story, including on this site.
Kos re: "Dean is in fact exercising great leadership"
Kos, I don't know what planet you progressives are from, but Dean failed in his leadership role long ago which resulted in him having no options right now. I live in Florida, and people here are furious. Good luck winning the election without it.
by phoenixdreamz on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:54:13 PM PDT
have been forced out long ago. HRC is only there because on one has the pull to tell her to quit.
In 2000, a criminal became President. In 2004, we failed to remove him.American Democracy, 1787-2004, RIP
by davewill on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:59:06 PM PDT
if Florida gets seated, the implication is that breaking the rules has no consequence.
by hekebolos on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:02:20 PM PDT
which explains my followup comment regarding Dean's "great leadership". Great leadership wouldn't find itself left with no good options.
by phoenixdreamz on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:07:26 PM PDT
The state voted to move its primary up. the DNC told them exactly what was going to happen. The state decided to play chicken on the railroad tracks.
by hekebolos on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:25:35 PM PDT
that ran themselves out of options. Dean and the DNC gave them numerous chances to fix their messes.
Don't trust any UID over [insert current highest number here].
by pattyp on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:10:18 PM PDT
VOTE DEM 08! I'm VT ConQuest, and I approve this message of HOPE and CHANGE that Barack Obama is spreading across America.
by VT ConQuest on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:39:05 PM PDT
in spite of how much they conflict with the popular vote, or voting period, has no right to complain if John McCain or any future Republican thug gets into office with the electoral college but not the popular vote.
by brn2bwild on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:09:56 PM PDT
Needs to be doing it at the right place, which is not Dean, DNC, the media, Obama, or bloggers. The right place is at the state officials who changed the date knowing they were breaking the rules. Anything else and your just wasting people's time.
by Uberbah on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 12:14:17 AM PDT
...and then come back and let me know how that turns out too.
Rules are vital in establishing the legitimacy of processes, or we wouldn't have any confidence in those processes.
The very same people arguing against the rules in this instance are probably among those who think the rules of football are sacred.
Please take that McCain scarecrow out to pasture. It has no currency for those fighting to enlarge the democratic majority in this country -- state by state.
If McCain is the answer, then the question has got to be stupid.
It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. Alfred Adler
by Quicksilver2723 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 01:20:13 AM PDT
and if you view some nondemocratic rules as fair and some (like the Electoral College) as unfair, then you are being a hypocrite.
by brn2bwild on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:31:43 AM PDT
Florida and Michigan were acting undemocratically and unfair when they violated the rules upon which they and all other states agreed.
FYI -- in a 50-state strategy, the states going last have the most weight, not the first ones.
So these two states could still be the most weightier of our primary if they admit their error and pay for their own mistakes and have new primaries.
If they do not do this, they are unfair and undemocratic. Suggest you begin complaining to their state dem leaders asap.
by Quicksilver2723 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 06:31:43 PM PDT
you act undemocratic back? It was not the fault of the people of Florida OR Michigan that their states jumped ahead. If their states can't or won't pay, then I would think that the Democratic party, which, unlike the Republican Party, actually cares about making each vote count, would put up the money to hold another election.
by brn2bwild on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:08:57 PM PDT
and telling me it's raining. You're not crying for those who didn't vote in those beauty contests because they knew they were against the rules.
Your angle disenfranchises those voters.
But here's a virtual hanky for all those virtual tears.
by Quicksilver2723 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:10:06 PM PDT
it was not the fault of Florida or Michigan voters that their states jumped ahead. That you don't seem even remotely concerned about voters not getting a valid vote is both frightening and depressing. But never mind: Try not to fall off of your high horse.
by brn2bwild on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:15:36 PM PDT
by slippytoad on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:16:55 PM PDT
GET OFF MY LAWN YOU YOUNG WHIPPER-SNAPPERS!!!
by VT ConQuest on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:37:30 PM PDT
And how much do you want to bet that if Hillary were in the lead and Obama needed Florida to remain competitive... it would be a totally different story, including on this site.
Given that the animosity towards Hillary is 100% based on her actions, if the situations were reversed and a second place Obama was determined to steal a win or let the Democratic party die trying, of course we would oppose him. So why don't you go ahead and liquidate all your assets, and send me the check asap, mmkay?
Kos, I don't know what planet you progressives are from, but Dean failed in his leadership role long ago which resulted in him having no options right now.
Allowing states to break the rules would show leadership how, exactly?
I live in Florida, and people here are furious. Good luck winning the election without it.
Then those people need to pull their heads out and hold the right people responsible: state officials. But no, rather than take issue with the people who created the mess (knowing full well what would happen), they complain at everyone else. Idiots.
by Uberbah on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:45:26 PM PDT
The Clintons, the DLC, and the party mandarins never wanted Howard Dean as head of the DNC, and are seething mad that he's been a success in that post.
Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.
by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:02:15 PM PDT
wide narrow
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