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by Alegre on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:22:41 PM PDT
This is still a race to the finish boys & girls.
by Alegre on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:24:14 PM PDT
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Ecrasez l'infame!
by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:26:37 PM PDT
Do Hillary's supporters really want to start looking for skeletons in closets?
So far the Rezko connection to Obama has amounted to nothing but Obama working to get more public housing for poor people.
But what about letting the convict Rich off the hook?
Pardon me, Hillary.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM PDT
Marc Rich. What a disgrace.
by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:35:24 PM PDT
You must be really fun to deal with over serious things.
The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:38:39 PM PDT
illegally making oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis to be a serious thing. It's very telling that you don't.
When McCain talks he sounds like an evil Mr. Rogers.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:39:50 PM PDT
Aiding and abetting the enemy to make a buck is pretty much the definition of traitor.
by FishOutofWater on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:49:56 PM PDT
Exactly how much did he contribute to Clinton's Presidential Library? We'll never know since they refuse to release the records.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:51:42 PM PDT
On the other hand, never mind. You'll fit right in here.
Back to Rezko problem: how come a guy who touts his judgement got into buying house with the help of Rezko?
How come a guy who tout his community organizing days and again his judgement, didn't have a clue (at least says he didn't) over the status of PUBLIC HOUSING in his own district?
Sometimes, a cackle is the best medicine!
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:29:48 PM PDT
mean you're above justice. If I had done what Marc Rich did, I'd still be in jail. Weird that you think that's cool.
by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:42:14 PM PDT
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:49:56 PM PDT
Greetings this still stand between us.
10 days actually so weeks isn't correct the correct term. Your first pro-Nader comment was on 2/23.
You stated, period that i had been posting for weeks pro Nader posts and then 10 days. This post was your proof. I have copied in the gemane part of the quote. This is from 2/29/08
"I would love to vote for Nader just to get back at Bo suppoters but come on if it wasnt for Nader Gore would have won. Voting for Nader validates his conduct in 2000. But i will not vote for BO and not give a dime to anyone but the DNC. Really, right now Dean is the only one".
I ask you to keep your commitment? Respectfully.
daivd
by giusd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:01:03 PM PDT
by jeff in nyc on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:03:07 PM PDT
by giusd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:04:30 PM PDT
Greetings this still stand between us. You posted this.
by giusd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:05:19 PM PDT
And i did this again sorry i guess i dont have the web page down.
dg
by giusd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:06:19 PM PDT
But I accepted your explanation for the other thing.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:07:26 PM PDT
You really believe this is pro Nader?
"come on if it wasnt for Nader Gore would have won. Voting for Nader validates his conduct in 2000" is pro Nader. It's accusing him of preventing Gore from winning and voting for him would validate his conduct?
by giusd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:11:24 PM PDT
"I would love to vote for Nader"
There's really no use in continuing this conversation.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:16:35 PM PDT
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:31:58 PM PDT
This is Whitewater/Vince Foster type smearing. I wish I could say I was shocked to see you diving into the slime, but I'm not. Say anything, change nothing.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:34:26 PM PDT
a guy who touts his judgement, who says: accidentally, we bought it on the same day... no, wait a second, I think I mentioned it to him... no, I think I toured the house with him...
How come a guy (Rezko) on the verge of bankruptcy, with creditors after him, bought a $600,000 lot?
How come a woman (his wife) with $35,000 yearly income got a mortgage for that amount?
ALSO: how come a guy touting his judgement and community organizing experience (Obama) had no fr*&gging clue about what was happening to Public housing in his OWN DISTRICT? I mean, shouldn't he know? Isn't that his job? Wouldn't people come to him with concerns?
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:45:40 PM PDT
Glad to know you're there. It confirms that my opinion of you is right.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:47:47 PM PDT
What about the Clinton trial in Los Angeles. Look it up. The Clintons have years worth of corruption that the Repugs can't wait to release. Rizko is nothing in comparison.
by munodi on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:50:08 PM PDT
Bill Clinton wasn't running. Geez, when will you guys figure out that a woman named Hillary Rodham (Clinton) is running for President?
by Izarradar on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:41:07 PM PDT
that the RNC won't run 90's scandal ads over and over in the GE.
Or put Bill's ranting from SC in a commercial.
Or not flash headlines about Eastern European deals for library contributions on the TV.
Or Norman Hsu. Or anything of the sort.
If you can assure me they won't run against Bill, or any of the crap that's come up since he left office, then sure...
Otherwise, the Republicans will run against both of them. Sad, but true. And par for the course for the Repugs.
We...join arm in arm and decide we are going to remake this country block by block, precinct by precinct, county by county, state by state - that's what hope is.
by DemocraticOz on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:44:18 PM PDT
during his presidency. Did she sit out on all the bad decisions? I guess we'll never know since she refuses to release her White House records. She makes Cheney look like a model of gov't transparency.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:58:19 PM PDT
take "claim credit for everything good" during his presidency. Links please. If you want to say she takes credit for everything good she did as First Lady, then I'll give you that. But Bill's presidency was his own, not hers. The good with the bad.
by Izarradar on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:25:25 PM PDT
My candidate voted thinking that cluster bombs might be dropped on AMERICAN CHILDREN
by IndyRobin on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:43:02 AM PDT
imagine wasting time not getting over somebody who was pardoned. It isn't as if he killed a member of your family, is it?
The soul is not the ego in drag. Ken Wilber
by macmcd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:37:22 PM PDT
you need to know about the quality of the character of the guy you support, you are kidding yourself about the chances of Obama to win. You need to know it now before it is too late.
He has lied about the Nafta meeting and lied about how close he is to Rezko. The BBC has a very good article about the loan on Obama's house that apparently Rezko facilitated also. Do you think McCain does not know all this information? Do you honestly think the house deal is clean? Good grief, the Republicans spent $60 million investigating a deal that the Clintons lost money on in Whitewater and you think they will give Obama a free pass. You are not thinking straight.
by macmcd on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:35:25 PM PDT
of the house deal is clean.
Rezko lot part don't know.
But how fake this "what republicans know" crap is.
The Clintons are sitting ducks with the new "questions" that have been in the newspapers and magazines the last couple of years, pending law suits (I don't mean the one against them but the one by stockholders against their donor that does name them and is about millions in fees to bill and almost a million in flights for both of them with Gupta/infoUSA and the SEC investigation) and the other Gupta/infoUSA scandals bilking the elderly and so on...and that little Giustra/uranium/dictator donor thing oh and so much more.
You make the house sound dirty, I say they used Rezko to get the lot so they could get the house...but lets say there is that 1.65 million house question and maybe he didn't use his book dealsigning money to get it...
compare that to MILLIONS in personal profit tied to shady characters and ugly stories for the Clintons...and the closed donation record thing bill stupidly set up even knowing his wife was running that all these names are leaking our from. There is so much already published...and more known.
Good God they aren't vetted at all and know it and have the balls to make this smears on Obama because they don't give a crap.
May karma be quick and just.
by joynow on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:57:48 PM PDT
Abramoff, actually. That's brand new. And what's in those tax returns must be interesting or they wouldn't be withholding them.
by elmo on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 04:04:29 AM PDT
from John McCain? That's what we want to know.
by FishOutofWater on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:27:21 PM PDT
do that when she is the Dem nominee?
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:30:09 PM PDT
generals and flag officers backing her as our candidate most ready to lead... I think our supers will see she's our only hope in beating McCain in the general election.
by Alegre on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:32:15 PM PDT
such national security heavyweights as Jessica Alba and the Black Eyed Peas.. ;)
by taters on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:36:02 PM PDT
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:38:52 PM PDT
that a bunch of old retired military officers looking for work in Washington.
by FishOutofWater on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:51:30 PM PDT
Yeah, that's the seriousness of Obama's followers. Go by looks and coolness. You needs competence when you can have a beer with the guy? How did that work out last time?
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:39:20 PM PDT
makes a lot more money out of government - in the private secctor. Most of them have of put in 25-30 years of service. Many of them have been wounded - they've done their share and are not looking for a gov't job. Do you have contempt for those that have worn the uniform and have been in harm's way? Sen. Obama doesn't - and I'm sure he would would gladly have taken their respective endosements.
by taters on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:49:21 PM PDT
generals now working in the defense industry. You know the same industry where all of Hillarys money comes from.
by munodi on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:53:18 PM PDT
by humphrey on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:50:21 PM PDT
Once Clinton magically resets the delegate counts and wins TX and OH by only allowing amnesiacs to vote, she will still have to contend with THE GRAVELANCHE!!!
There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:52:05 PM PDT
It's like they take pride in being ignorant.
by jkennerl on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:06:37 PM PDT
your candidate has so much to be desired :(
The world is so cold and the rhythm is your blanket, wrap yourself up in it, if you love it then you'll thank it.
by Ajax the Greater on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:32:28 PM PDT
Party must disenfranchise voters to maintain credibility...... </snark>
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:40:14 PM PDT
chose that. They knew the consequences.
Obama, or McCain
by Elise on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:17:20 PM PDT
good one, as always. rec'd.
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:39:32 PM PDT
may interrupt the coronation. Wouldn't it be better if Teddy just crowned Obama?
Another proud Clintonista opposing John McCain.
by psychodrew on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:13:30 PM PDT
Concern trolling won't change anyone's mind.
by patagonia on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:28:22 PM PDT
If he testifies after becoming our party's nominee we're in deep deep trouble come November.
You're labeling my diary concern trolling won't change that basic fact.
by Alegre on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:30:40 PM PDT
Frankly, calling this "concern trolling" is the most cut and dry, clear label that could be applied to this diary — I would call this diary disgusting. What are you doing? What could you possibly be thinking by publishing this?
Also, when you look at the financial scandals that have followed the Clintons and McCain, it is absurd to think that this as-of-yet non-scandal should influence anyone's thinking in this election.
"Change will not come if we wait for some other person, or if we wait for some other time -- we are the ones we've been waiting for." Barack Obama
by ggottlie on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:12:57 PM PDT
I guess there's always the last reliable to toss out there--good old fashioned fear.
Your concern is deeply touching, Alegre.
Just because your voice reaches halfway around the world doesn't mean you are wiser than when it reached only to the end of the bar. Edward R. Murrow
by Pager on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:28:53 PM PDT
Since when does pointing out the truth have anything to do with fear?
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:32:05 PM PDT
by Pager on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:35:27 PM PDT
I think so. Every time someone has anything truthful to say about Obama that isn't good the denials and obfuscations roll out like a nasty muddy river.
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:43:12 PM PDT
on the Mark Rich pardon.
by latinadem on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:39:14 PM PDT
If this was gonna affect the nomination (and it's not), it needed to happen before Wisconsin (if not nearlier).
Now, she's down to the proverbial dead girl or live boy.
by RoscoeOfAlabama on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:29:08 PM PDT
You are right on that. So when is Hillary going to provide her tax information so we will have some answers? Will it be before the nominee is chosen?
by Kentucky Kid on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:29:09 PM PDT
files her taxes.
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:32:56 PM PDT
She hasn't release those either? What is she hiding? Enquiring mind need to know!!!
John McCain votes against Children's Healthcare
by Hope08 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:34:14 PM PDT
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:44:07 PM PDT
Can you try being honest?
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:45:07 PM PDT
yesterday, Wolfman dodged.
by Hope08 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:45:55 PM PDT
here come the denials and obfuscations...
by latinadem on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:40:16 PM PDT
for the years 2000-2006? Those are going to be some heavy fines.
by clonecone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:34:57 PM PDT
is she using for her '06 taxes??? Hell, even '05
by Kentucky Kid on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:37:49 PM PDT
as opposed to a very real, real state deal.
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:52:32 PM PDT
and what's been found in the whole Rezko thing?
by latinadem on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:41:28 PM PDT
nt
"2009" The end of an error
by sheddhead on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:29:30 PM PDT
she will release it after it is filed. This is a red herring to avoid answering tough questions. Did you see David Axelrod sweating all over the place on TV day? He looked positively ashen.
by mikepridmore on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:34:38 PM PDT
What is she hiding?
"They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08
by bawbie on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:35:21 PM PDT
and favors from an indicted land developer, who went on trial today.
Didn't you know?
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:53:16 PM PDT
Was it New York? Did Peter Paul buy it for her?
by sheddhead on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:58:28 PM PDT
and your diaries do Hillary more harm than good.
by Ajax the Greater on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:31:44 PM PDT
it was a reading comprehension problem. I no longer think that.
by Lying eyes on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:34:00 PM PDT
...that they may really believe this stuff. i'm starting to be very concerned. a whole generation with no critical thinking skills... it's a frightening prospect.
Hillary 2008 - Flying Monkey Squadron 283
by campskunk on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:37:00 PM PDT
you guys have no shame.....we all know Obama's wagon is not hitched to Rezko any more than the Clintons was to Whitewater...it's all rightwing spew
...it's disappointing seeing you guys turn into little Drudge mimicking tools.....hope you get your pride back when it is all done and over
...or are you going to jump ship to McCain because he'll protect you from the mean old terrorists
it's 3am, which fear-mongering Republican wannabe is going to save us from the big bad brown-skinned terrorists?
by surferal on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:51:27 PM PDT
Very scary. (snicker)
by Lying eyes on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:58:38 PM PDT
he's never tried a case, has he?
by taters on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:41:25 PM PDT
by ghost2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:53:50 PM PDT
by Sparkalepsy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:46:27 PM PDT
... has a fool for a client.
You may slander him all you like, but Barack Obama is no fool.
Hey, Brian Ross! Who Lied To You About the Anthrax?
by tbetz on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:56:16 PM PDT
The pieces of the diary suggesting that consulting another lawyer about a personal legal issue is grounds for questioning Obama's judgment is pure hatchet job.
And I fail to see anything objectionable at the beginning of the diary either - how does Obama saying he will comply with the law equate to testifying for Rezko?
by Justanothernyer on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:39:24 PM PDT
Fight the Power!
by Dem In VA on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:51:54 PM PDT
Why does Hillary think McCain would be better than Obama?
Why won't she release her tax returns?
Why does she dismiss 40 states as unimportant?
Any answers to those questions forthcoming?
I stand by my original analogy between the Joker and bin Laden and the Riddler and Hussein. -- Greasy Grant
by TheBlaz on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:00:38 PM PDT
I trust Barack Obama.
by Jennifer Clare on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:43:51 PM PDT
wide narrow
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