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Is this outrageous, or am I just overreacting?
And yeah...I know there's no mention of those 2 but that's a good thing.
Greetings from Deep Space!
by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:11:48 AM PDT
this is disgusting. Shine the light on it.
On second thought , let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place
by o the umanity on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:16:03 AM PDT
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(best Warf imitation)
by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:16:54 AM PDT
that is eerily similar to an old plan he grew up with.
We already have the most prisoners per capita of an country in the world. It is not an overstatement to say we have become a police state.
"It's the planet, stupid."
by FishOutofWater on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:20:08 AM PDT
is the reason for the 2nd amendment.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. - Inigo Montoya
by YD on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:44:56 AM PDT
At least when it comes to defending oneself from a tyrannical government.
Bring the WAR home
by EthrDemon on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:52:01 AM PDT
Anyone who saw last Sunday's 60 Minutes story about the Active Denial "heat ray" device and still seriously believes that sort of thing (even if Pentagon funding isn't currently supporting its use, something which a President McCain likely would be more than happy to address) can be countered by ordinary citizens wielding guns, up to and including assault weapons ... please.
Electing conservatives is like hiring a carpenter who thinks hammers are evil.
by bwintx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:07:49 AM PDT
I'll be stocking up on tin foil.
Eek!
"In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin
by LucyMO on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:37:22 AM PDT
after seeing that story, plan to buy tinfoil. You know what havoc it wreaks with microwave ovens ;-)
Searching for corrupt, lobbyist loving John McCain?
by Lisa Lockwood on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:02:24 AM PDT
that saves you.
I miss Jeff Buckley.
by exiledfromTN on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:27:45 AM PDT
I miss Jeff Buckley too.
by not lois on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 04:19:36 PM PDT
to make a crowd crazy than calm it down? Why the hell doesn't somebody invent the xanax ray?
"YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who
by Reepicheep on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:16 AM PDT
In order to have effective riot control, first you need a riot. Peaceful marches and demonstrations just don't justify massive police response the way they used to.
So you get "anarchist" shills inserted into protests to cause property damage and rile people up, tear gas to get protesters to run and flail about, and "Active Denial Systems" to get people hurting and disoriented. Then, you can start calling it a riot.
by figleef on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:31:22 AM PDT
Well, I'm about to get upset From watching my teevee From checking out the news Until my eyeballs fail to see I mean to say that everyday Is just another rotten mess And when it's going to end my friend Is anybodys guess
So I'm watching and I'm waiting And I'm hoping for the best Even think I'll go to praying Everytime I hear them saying; "There's no way to delay That trouble coming everyday"
Wednesday I watched the riots I seen the cops out on the street Watched them throwing rocks and stuff And choking in the heat Listened to reports About the whisky passing around Seen the smoke and fire And the market burning down Watched while everybody On the street would take a turn To stomp and smash and bash and crash and slash and bust and burn
So I'm watching and waiting And I'm hoping for the best Even think I'll go to praying Every time I hear them saying; "There's no way to delay That trouble coming everyday"
Well, you can cool it You can heat it 'Cause baby I don't need it Take your teevee tube and eat it And all that phony stuff on sports And all those unconfirmed reports You know I watched that rotten box Untill my head began to hurt From checkin' out the way The newsmen say they get the dirt Before the guy on channel so and so And further they assert That any show they interrupt To bring you news as it comes up They say that if the place blows up They will be the first to tell 'Cause the boys they got downtown Are working hard and doing swell And if anybody gets the news Before it hits the street They say that no one blabs it faster Their coverage can't be beat And if another woman driver Gets machine gunned from her seat They'll send some joker with a Brownie And you'll see it all complete
So I'm watching and I'm wating Hoping for the best Even think I'll go to praying Every time I hear them saying; "There's no way to delay That trouble coming everyday"
"Hey, you know something people? I'm not Black But there's a whole lot of times I wish I could say I'm not White"
I've seen the fires burning And the local people turning On the merchants and the shops Who used to sell them brooms and mops And every other household item Watch a mob just turn and bite them And they say it served them right Because a few of them were White And it's the same across the nation Black and White discrimination Yellin' "You can't understand me!" And all that other jazz they hand me In the papers and teevee And all the mass stupidity That seems to grow more everyday Each time I hear some nitwit say He's going to do me in Because the color of my skin Just don't appeal to him No matter if it's Black or White 'Cause he's out for blood tonight
You know, we've got to sit around at home And watch this thing begin I bet there won't be many alive To see it really end 'Cause the fire in the street Ain't like the fire in the heart And in the eyes of all these people Don't you know that this can start On any street in any town In any state if any clown Decides that now is the time to fight For some ideal he thinks is right And if a million more agree Then there ain't no great society As it applies to you and me Our country isn't free And the law refuses to see If all that you can ever be Is just a lousey janitor Unless your uncle owns the store You know that five in every four Just won't amount to nothing more They'll watch the rats go across the floor And make up songs about being poor...
Zappa
Hope is, after all, the currency of popular politics, and a coin surprisingly hard to devalue. -- Fred Anderson, Crucible of War
by ornerydad on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:07:09 AM PDT
was always strange to me that so few people really "got" his genius. when the last of todays primary results come in i think i'll blow the dust off of "Broken Hearts are for Assholes" and play it just for Hillary...
impeachment-it does the body good impeachment-it isn't just for blow jobs anymore impeachment-i can say no more i expect no less
by playtonjr on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 04:23:36 PM PDT
For starters, the police records from the Seattle WTO protests are public records, due to the investigation and the lawsuits. You could start looking there. Check ARC 11134 (the police radio recordings):
8:36 [M.: November's recording was erased before December's copying. Officer Lawson reads out the times, over the hiss of the erased section. According the the SPD AAR, they did not even stage Chemical Agent Response teams before 9:00. According to earlier sections [of this recording], they were deploying these before 8:00 and according to the following section they were firing chemical grenades before 9:00.] 8:40 [man's voice]: 9-Adam to 2-3-2, be advised we have a second wave coming to 8th and Pine, and they are currently at 9th and Pine, look like they are poised to possibly come this way. 8:41 [firing] [man's voice, muffled]: Car-21, there was a report from Command-3. Some troopers were having trouble at 6th and University, 6th and Seneca, and status, please. [firing] [man's voice]: Now. [woman's voice]: Radio to Demo Desk? [firing] [man's voice]: Demo Desk. [woman's voice]: Can you check the status of those troopers at 6th and Seneca? [man's voice, muffled]: [unintelligible] okay. [static] [firing] [man's voice]: Hey, Guardian-1, do you pos- [unintelligible]? The crowd that was moving towards the Paramount is milling around there. They haven't decided which way they're gonna go. They tried to continue to southbound and were stopped, so they're now just milling by the buses. 8:42 [firing] [firing] [man's voice]: Demo Desk Radios? We're supposed to have an SPD element at 6th and Seneca. See if you check. [firing] [firing] [woman's voice]: Is there a unit at 6th and Seneca? [firing] [man's voice]: Unit 900. [woman's voice]: 900? [man's voice]: We've got a group in front of the Sheraton. We have a whole group of the black-clad kids that we've been following are throwing debris and so forth out here. [M.: prob. building barricades] Is there any, er, are they gonna be moving a hard squad, uh, down this way? 8:43 [woman's voice]: Car-2-1? [man's voice, muffled]: Car-2-1, uh, first, of course, Sheraton should be on lockdown, and Joe, if you could deal with some of those people it would be appreciated. Where do you start to hold the line up here? If you need assistance, we will send a squad. [firing] [man's voice]: Okay, well, we're not, actually we don't have enough people or we're not really equipped to move in, but if we, if there's a danger to be, injury, then we'll, well, grab 'em. [firing] [firing] [man's voice]: Demo Desk Radio, 6th and Seneca, status, if you could determine that? [man's voice]: And 9-Adam to 2-3-2, we have about an additional 600 that are responding to 8 and Pine from 9th. Be advised. [burst firing]
You should also read the personal accounts which came from Seattle and from other protests since:
From: Scott [M.: snipped middle and last name and email address] Friends, My comrade Justin, from ICC, telephoned from Seattle tonight. Sketchy details: Riot cops tried to move in on protesters but were stopped when the Anarchist Black Bloc sat down in the middle of the street and refused to move. The police opened fire with tear gas and rubber bullets. The Anarchist response was to begin smashing windows: McDonalds, The Gap, and Niketown were mentioned. Two Anarchists were shot while trying to hoist a newspaper rack and shove it through the Niketown window. People who Justin called the "peace police" were yelling "non-violent protest" while pelting the Anarchists with bottles! I gather they were liberal types---their politics are pretty confused. He also mentioned confrontations with people from the stores.
From: Scott [M.: snipped middle and last name and email address]
Friends,
My comrade Justin, from ICC, telephoned from Seattle tonight.
Sketchy details:
Riot cops tried to move in on protesters but were stopped when the Anarchist Black Bloc sat down in the middle of the street and refused to move. The police opened fire with tear gas and rubber bullets. The Anarchist response was to begin smashing windows: McDonalds, The Gap, and Niketown were mentioned. Two Anarchists were shot while trying to hoist a newspaper rack and shove it through the Niketown window.
People who Justin called the "peace police" were yelling "non-violent protest" while pelting the Anarchists with bottles! I gather they were liberal types---their politics are pretty confused. He also mentioned confrontations with people from the stores.
To my knowledge, there have been (1) a confirmed fake bloc in Genoa (2) individual or paired infiltrators in other actions, usually discovered by people in the bloc.
Liberty - Mother, not daughter, of Order
by Mike Erwin on Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 09:09:26 AM PDT
... even tanks are vulnerable.
The Multinationals and the Religious Right have identical goals: Profit from war, ignorance and fear...and the GOP is their Party.
by dj angst on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:04:28 AM PDT
is not for some obscure foreign being to place a bomb in my path, but, rather I fear what will follow for my children upon my death -- will they one day curse me for not doing more to protect our beloved constitution?
Investigate! Impeach! Indict! Incarcerate!
by Cato come back on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:29:21 AM PDT
dangerous than "non-lethal weapons". The "Active Denial" system is just something one can do with lasers of very moderate power.
To put things into perspective, the muskets carried by the British in 1776 were a lot more dangerous to their targets than the Active Denial system. And probably more reliable.
Just because something looks like an SF "death ray" doesn't mean there's any excuse to panic about it.
This is simply intended as a more convenient way to break up crowds than, say, a water cannon.
If you want a realistic threat to worry about, worry about assault rifles and heavy machine guns in the hands of a Federalized National Guard in the event that the Bushmen manage to provoke massive civil disorder in the USA.
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by alizard on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:13:54 PM PDT
but it's pretty effective in scattering an advancing crowd, regardless of how motivated (or well-armed) the people in that crowd might be. Unless they can manage to score some serious bazookas a la those kids in Red Dawn, they'd have a hard time fighting it.
by bwintx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:17:28 PM PDT
if a crowd is prepared for it (reflective clothing or the right kind of skin creams probably would work), "Active Denial" should be fairly ineffective.
If it were unstoppable, they'd already be using it in Iraq for crowd control.
IMO, they aren't because they know that it probably won't be all that effective the second or third time anyone actually tries to use it in practice for anything other than turning the operators into casualties and putting an end to funding Yet Another Bush Crony Capitalist Military Boondoggle as the word gets around.
"Active Denial" doesn't worry me. Getting shot at does.
by alizard on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:29:27 PM PDT
what would that much heat do to a suicide bomber? Set off their explosives? What about somebody carrying a container of gasoline, or kerosene, or diesel fuel, or even lamp oil? How about a can of hair spray, or spray paint, or any other aerosol?
Those things all explode under too much heat...
by mmacdDE on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:03:57 PM PDT
and certainly since the Vietnam era, if not the WWII era, the weapons available to civilians are no match for that available to the military.
The country was formed in the days when there was a rough parity between military weapons and those available to civilians. Those days are long gone.
To say nothing of tactics, strategy, training etc.
Anyone who thinks he/she could hold out against trained soldiers/Blackwater folks who have modern weapons is delusional.
"The fact which the politician faces is merely that there is less honor among thieves than was supposed, and not the fact that they are thieves." Thoreau
by shigeru on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:20:43 PM PDT
Iraq would be over by now.
The trick is in what one emphasizes. We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same." Carlos Castaneda
by FireCrow on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:01:30 PM PDT
I excluded the possibility of suicide bombers. Was merely addressing standard weaponry.
I'll stand by my point although guerilla warfare does raise interesting issues.
by shigeru on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:07:16 PM PDT
were lucky, or visionary, enough to have decades worth of materiel buried, hidden, or otherwise available post invasion, and I don't mean AK-47s. Not that we did squat to deny them even the easiest of it to come by. The 350 TONS of RDX taken from the entirely unguarded Al Qa-Qaa is still being used daily to kill and injure our soldiers. We in the US have access to nothing like that.
I have a very hard time thinking that our military would buy into any sort of mass killing here at home. Too many of them would see their own families in the crowd, literally or figuratively. That sort of thing will only go so far.
Given something like the ironically named Active Denial System, they could convince themselves they weren't hurting anybody, so the mission could be justified without worrying about the victims.
Was I the only one to notice that the test subjects in that 60 Minutes segment were not foreigners or terrorists, but US anti-war protesters? It is being developed for domestic use.
The lone and level sands stretch far away. -Shelley
by justme on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:48:08 PM PDT
What the hell do you want to do, just concede?
They might be running a fascist dictatorship - but they're doing it on our soil. Advantage, The People.
by brentmack on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:53:39 PM PDT
The point of the 2nd Amendment is to make tyrany bloody and painfull.
If the populace is disarmed, what is the risk of a dictatorship or martial law? Why not if you can get away with it?
But if the populace is armed and angry, if declaring a military dictatorship means a real risk of assasination, of fighting in the street, of bombings and death...
Cops don't want to get shot. Soldiers don't want to get shot either, and they don't want to kill Americans. They won't be able to just cleanly round up disenters. They'll have to face gunfire, watch their buddies die, and they don't want to. There will be mass defections of the police and military if there is real resistance.
The 2nd Amendment doesn't mean the populace can defeat the government, but it is Mutually Assured Destruction. By having it, it ensures you don't have to use it.
Disarm the people, allow a clean takeover, and it will happen.
by Norm in Chicago on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:56:21 PM PDT
It's not about owning guns or even about knowing how to use them.
It's about organization. The federal government has basically seized a (probably unconstitutional) monopoly on organizing and controlling state and local militias.
Do you know the commander of your local "National Guard" unit? Would his unit defend you against an aggressive attack by mercenaries commanded by President Bush? Even if you are a National Guard member?
Or is your National Guard run more like a reserve unit of a standing army, and currently sent off to foreign countries to fight aggressive wars?
Yep, thought so. Got an alternative local militia? Maybe the local police could do something, I suppose....
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by neroden on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:19:08 PM PDT
is currently deployed to Iraq - for the second time.
They had to leave most of their equipment in Iraq the first time - I expect they won't come back with much, if any, this time.
I'm sure this is happening across the country. What's the use of a "National Guard" if they have nothing to guard us with?
Or maybe that is the point... [adjust tin hat]
Do you remember Matt Maupin?
by sharilynn on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:29:38 PM PDT
Got an alternative local militia?
... you mean these people?
Post Ironical
by lifexpert on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:23:47 PM PDT
Smells like Shock Doctrine policies to me.
welcome to the pwnership society. consider yourselves pwned.
by j bopp on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:25:13 AM PDT
has quite a ring to it.
by ornerydad on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:52:49 AM PDT
disaster in cali. feeling safer?
by stagemom on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 05:59:07 PM PDT
This paramilitary group, having complicity relationship with government, is the aspect that is most scary. It is preposterous that state and local government is contracting with shadowy paramilitary/mercenary organization to 'control' citizens in these United States! We'ver heard much about Blackwater and after sunlight was allowed to focus on it, many problems were uncovered. Infraguard has avoided the sunlight so far. It's time for the highbeams to look this over and to press government officials on why they aren't pressing to have their National Guard in the picture.
I worry that we're about to have cause to feel a lot more sympathy for our South American neighbors, for whom paramilitary forces, in alliance with the conservative sectors of government and corporate interests, are a great source of fear as they carry out all sorts of harsh, dirty work against people within and across borders, especially harsh on those deemed undesirable, unnecessary, or unworthy of rights or protections. These have left sorry trails of repression, rape, maimings and toruture, imprisonment and bondage without charges, individual and group murders, large 'disappearances' of groups and villages. And are unaccountable. And most of these groups have had training and received resources from our US military and covert operations.
I wonder if US citizenship is required of Infraguard personnel. Is there any oath taken to uphold the constitution, the state and local laws? Or is the operating ethic whatever it takes to meet whatever demands are in their contracts, regardless of public policy implication? Where is the accountability to the American public? Under what provisions can Infraguard be sued by citizens for mistreatment, murder, or criminal acts? There are federal provisions for suing LEO units (public funded police forces). Where is the point of redress?
Is this what we are left with after W treated the National Guard as 'federalizable' (disposable) combat and combat support units, and sent far offshore for years of duty in Iraq?
Why indeed are our various State National Guard Units still overseas, still not being restored to normal and legal roles, and why are their lost resources not being replenished? Why haven't regular forces been activated, trained and deployed to replace them after 5 years? Looks like yet another privatization war against any citizen-based organization.
We need our candidates to have a strong position regarding our National Guard versus these secretive paramilitary groups, and to make clear that no private mercenary army will involved in 'disasters' affecting the general public. It should be illegal for state and local governments to make arrangements with paramilitary organizations instead of investing in the state's National Guard for better disaster response and security. But, there's few large political campaign donors or influential stockholders backing the National Guard.
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by antirove on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:32:48 AM PDT
from reading the article at The Progressive that "Infraguard" is a name for a collection of private business members. People who are bigwigs in certain infrastructure related industries,
InfraGard itself is still an FBI operation, with FBI agents in each state overseeing the local InfraGard chapters. (There are now eighty-six of them.) The alliance is a nonprofit organization of private sector InfraGard members. "We are the owners, operators, and experts of our critical infrastructure, from the CEO of a large company in agriculture or high finance to the guy who turns the valve at the water utility," says Schneck, who by day is the vice president of research integration at Secure Computing. "At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector," the InfraGard website states. "InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories."
InfraGard itself is still an FBI operation, with FBI agents in each state overseeing the local InfraGard chapters. (There are now eighty-six of them.) The alliance is a nonprofit organization of private sector InfraGard members.
"We are the owners, operators, and experts of our critical infrastructure, from the CEO of a large company in agriculture or high finance to the guy who turns the valve at the water utility," says Schneck, who by day is the vice president of research integration at Secure Computing.
"At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector," the InfraGard website states. "InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories."
by Lisa Lockwood on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:06:09 AM PDT
to survive!!
And we can't count on our courts any longer, IMHO!!
Aloha .. .. ..
dolphin777
by dolphin777 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:58:21 AM PDT
membership web page. I was going to check the membership application out, but clicking returns a 404.
Here's their by-laws. I didn't open, scairt of pdf.
Hands off my Social Security, John McCain.
by emmasnacker on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:25:12 PM PDT
found it, well them: Sick of It's diary from 2/8/08
nora's diary from 2/15/08
and OPOL discusses it in this very excellent diary
Well, all three are excellent diaries.
Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)
I am an Edwards Democrat!
by Scubaval on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 03:39:11 PM PDT
http://en.wikipedia.org/...
by martini on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:28:35 PM PDT
This is important and it's NOT a candidate diary. I'd love to see some consistent NEWS on the Rec List for a change.
by donnamarie on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:25:08 AM PDT
will be satiated and can enjoy their remaining buzz and we can get back to discussing the "issues" - that "stuff" that happens while people make lists and plans..
by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:29:17 AM PDT
Not unless Obama can pull it off and Hillary drops out. We then have another month and a half of this bullshit until the primary in PA.
I am just so SICK of it. Everybody has made up their mind. No candidate hit piece is going to change anyone's mind at this point.
by donnamarie on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:33:39 AM PDT
I wish he'd gotten behind Hillary long ago. We'd be at relative peace here at DKos, and he'd have all but guaranteed his own Presidency in 2016.
I'm sorry Bruce... these boys get that syrup in 'em, they get a little antsy in the pantsy. -Capt. John O'Hagen (Super Troopers)
by The House on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:14:27 AM PDT
The true Ben Franklin quote from Poor Richard's Almanack is "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
by Andy30tx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:56:28 AM PDT
by The House on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:09:54 AM PDT
do you mean "Obama is the second coming and the comment you replied to above was snark" or "Obama is the second coming and saying that he is the second coming is snark"?
by Andy30tx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:17:40 AM PDT
d Clinton at this time. Bad for Dems all around, I believe.
by The House on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:04:37 AM PDT
I think this primary has been great for the Democratic party and great for the country. The multiple debates, the excitement of the electorate, the voter turnout, the grassroots organization building that is happening in so many states, all are wonderful things that would not have happened otherwise.
by Andy30tx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 09:18:07 AM PDT
from here forward, will the party be able to unite behind Hillary if she wins given the Hillary hate that seems so prevalent? And since a lot of that hate seems to be coming from Dems hot for Obama, and since it has seemingly gotten so vehement, even vile at times, I fear that if she does win, her candidacy in the general, and by extension the party and the country may suffer.
by The House on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:56:58 AM PDT
And that has more to do with the math than anything. The delegate lead is enormous at this point. Approximately 150 pledged delegates is a number that, barrring any unforseen gaffes or scandals, is insurmountable. If Hillary is the nominee, it will not be because of typical campaigning or voters turning out in droves for her. It will be the result of a party schism, superdelegates overruling voters, or something of the sort. The numbers have tilted toward Obama at this point and there does not seem to be any easy way of counteracting that.
So right now, no, Hillary winning the nomination means something bad or unexpected happened.
by Andy30tx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 11:10:51 AM PDT
..just from those who like Obama. I believe that those who were for Dodd, then Kucinich, then Edwards, have generally congregated behind Obama, thus making it seem that the hate is coming from those "hot" for Obama.
One could equally make the argument that Hillary herself has committed acts that could have hurt the party by running against Obama, by her campaign tactics, etc.
by nomadchad on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:22:34 PM PDT
"uniting" behind Hillary. But that has to do with her own actions, and those of her campaign, rather than anybody else's. It is not Obama that has caused this. Hillary owns it. It's not Obama's "fault" for running, ferchrist'ssake. Hillary owns the disunity by her behavior in the race. Period. Geesh. Fucking Obama. If he hadn't run, we could have just placed the crown on her head, and Democracy be damned.
by emmasnacker on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:30:29 PM PDT
as a choice.
I love the system.
I am glad folks found a way to drag candidate crap into this issues-based topic.
Thank you kindly.
by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 03:10:33 PM PDT
sitting around still somewhat bitter at what she did to John Edwards to secure the nomination.
"A word after a word after a word is power." -Margaret Atwood
by John Shade on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:14:03 AM PDT
for the benefit of Hillary's real Fortune 1000 CEOs "represented by K Street" is a viable governing philosophy to clean up Bush's mess and do what has to be done to get our major corporations and Richistani under control, how did the "Herbal Viagra" you got sold via helpful, informative spam work out for you?
by alizard on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:21:51 PM PDT
for candidate talk. I haven't even reached the end of this thread and I'm disgusted.
NOT everything is about those 2! Give it a rest, or at least head to the candidate diaries. There are many of us here who want to talk about these issues, not scroll through dozens of comments regarding who has the most delegates and what will happen to the party. I believe there are plenty of diaries already up where that can be discussed.
Please. stop. it.
by Scubaval on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 03:44:38 PM PDT
North Carolina will loom then, which is nearly as big as Ohio. May Primary.
We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!
by ScrewySquirrel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:26:58 AM PDT
Florida re-voting in order to have the delegates included at the convention. She will not get out with that looming.
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by Barry Welsh on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:01:34 AM PDT
it is really pathetic around here. If the hysteria here was general in the regular population I'd we very worried about losing the election-wait, I am worried.
"Time to focus on McCain and kicking his McAss." Angry Mouse
by NearlyNormal on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 06:43:52 AM PDT
this is something people should pay attention to.
Don't miss my blog! "We are all New Orleans now."--Barbara O'Brien Geauxbama!
by Louisiana 1976 on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 08:29:22 AM PDT
. . . the chance of an emergency is a reality and in the event of something truly catastrophic (meteor strike, huge earthquake, loose nuclear weapon, pandemic flu) many health care professionals will be among the affected.
In such a situation, it is totally appropriate and LIFE SAVING to triage care such that lower skilled providers (nurses, vets, etc) provide care for lower skill problems and higher skilled providers take the cases where their extra knowledge makes a difference.
The public doesn't like to think about what a real disaster would look like, but its the job of public health professionals to plan for situations like this.
John McCain
by dbratl on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:09:20 AM PDT
The problem comes when they define Worst Case Scenario rules, then somebody invokes them for Really Bad Case Scenario A, then they get invoked for Someone Stubbed A Toe Scenario.
by Nina Katarina on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 07:38:26 AM PDT
are already in place. I just watched the movie "V is for Vendetta" this weekend, and it was the first thing I thought of when I read this diary. Not to spoil the movie for anybody, but the plot revolves around the fact that the government infected three large groups with a virus intentionally to create fear in the public. Then of course, they instituted a fascist state.
The money quote from the article:
The scenarios worry nursing leaders. "If you are going to throw out regulations ... we know the consequences can be very bad," said Donna Gerber, government regulations director for the California Nurses Association. "(The regulations) wouldn't be there except to protect the public."
We've just witnessed what happens when you throw away rules and regulations: The sub-prime mortgage crisis. This diary, Republican Ideology Has Broken the Economy, outlined exactly how taking away all the rules made our current mortgage crisis possible.
by hungrycoyote on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 10:53:34 AM PDT
