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  •  that is probably true, but prior to convention (1+ / 0-)

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    in order to convince S.D and such, it could matter.

    by rigso on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 11:34:00 AM PDT

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    •  people keep forgetting (2+ / 0-)

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      how close this race is, and when you have a close race everything bit of data matters.

      by sunshineonthebay on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 11:35:31 AM PDT

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      •  But only if the data are reliable and meaningful (0+ / 0-)

        A bunch of back of the envelope estimates of the "true" national popular vote are, at best, not particularly meaningful, and, at worst, down right misleading.  Besides, that's not the system.  The system is a bunch of delegates selected through state primaries and caucuses, and a bunch of supers.

        by cph on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 12:02:22 PM PDT

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        •  you're missing an important point (0+ / 0-)

          When you have a close race while in technical terms it's ok to say this candidate has two delegates more and therefore the winner, the psychology is much more complicated.  The DNC has to do it in a way that does not leave voters supporting the other candidate disenfranchised.  You not only have to declare the winner, but demonstrate the legitimacy of it.  We can't risk having dems stay home in Nov.

          by sunshineonthebay on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 12:08:12 PM PDT

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          •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

            there is no way to determine national popular vote.

            I refer you to an article by Rhodes Cook (doesn't include the most recent primaries) that shows the different results you get using different methods.  Unless all of the methods point in the same direction, you will not be able to alleviate any feeling of disenfranchisement.  Besides, losing isn't disenfranchisement; it's losing.

            by cph on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 12:12:18 PM PDT

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