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Yell Louder!!! @ Docudharma
by buhdydharma on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:45:05 PM PDT
will he/they get away with it?
judging by the actions/lack of action in our present Congress - I'd have to shed a few tears and answer, "yes". ````` peace
U.S. Mayors to Congress: "Pass H.R. 676 NOW"
by peace voter on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:47:34 PM PDT
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to the tear as well
by buhdydharma on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:51:19 PM PDT
Not next to Bush's ugly mug.
Talk to Action
by Troutfishing on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:50:02 PM PDT
Caligula 'The Insane'...
...and George 'The Torturer'.
If history will judge, she will find,
guilty.
How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb? Two. one to hold the giraffe and one to fill the tub with fluorescent toys.
by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:13:27 PM PDT
Y'all knew what the W stood for, right?
Disgusting ... we've become everything we fought against in World War II under the Boy King and no one seems willing to disown him.
by Stranded Wind on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:29:51 PM PDT
I've been writing it for years, and will continue to do so.
The moral depravity to which this country has suck makes me want to scream.
It's wrong. We know it's wrong. Yet we continue to torture.
Our taxmoney is supporting torture, and paying the wages of torturers. While our schools, health caare system and infrastructure crumble. Not to mention the rule of law, our economy and a few similar incidentals.
Remember Nataline.
by means are the ends on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:43:37 PM PDT
He approved torture
http://www.dailykos.com/...
Next question - did Bush approve SEXUAL torture ?
Did he sign off on THAT ?
by Troutfishing on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:07:23 PM PDT
and the rest were just afterthoughts.
President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."
by SmileySam on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:55:29 PM PDT
He started blowing frogs. Now, he's president.
by Troutfishing on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:59:34 PM PDT
Wherefore do ye toil; is it not that ye may live and be happy? And if ye toil only that ye may toil more, when shall happiness find you?
by keefer55 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:12:55 PM PDT
AfterDowningStreet has many of the horrific details in their article. Child rape, sodomy with chemical light sticks, murder.
What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe." They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added. SNIP "The embattled defense secretary fielded sharp and skeptical questions from lawmakers as he testified about the growing prisoner abuse scandal. A military report about that abuse describes detainees being threatened, sodomized with a chemical light and forced into sexually humiliating poses. SNIP "Military investigators have looked into -- or are continuing to investigate -- 35 cases of alleged abuse or deaths of prisoners in detention facilities in the Central Command theater, according to Army Secretary Les Brownlee. Two of those cases were deemed homicides, he said. SNIP "'The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,' Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. 'We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.' "A report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to masturbate while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a 'male MP guard having sex with a female detainee.
What is shown on the photographs and videos from Abu Ghraib prison that the Pentagon has blocked from release? One clue: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Congress last year, after viewing a large cache of unreleased images, "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe." They show acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he added.
SNIP
"The embattled defense secretary fielded sharp and skeptical questions from lawmakers as he testified about the growing prisoner abuse scandal. A military report about that abuse describes detainees being threatened, sodomized with a chemical light and forced into sexually humiliating poses. SNIP
"Military investigators have looked into -- or are continuing to investigate -- 35 cases of alleged abuse or deaths of prisoners in detention facilities in the Central Command theater, according to Army Secretary Les Brownlee. Two of those cases were deemed homicides, he said.
"'The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience,' Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told reporters after Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee. 'We're talking about rape and murder -- and some very serious charges.'
"A report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba on the abuse at the prison outside Baghdad says videotapes and photographs show naked detainees, and that groups of men were forced to masturbate while being photographed and videotaped. Taguba also found evidence of a 'male MP guard having sex with a female detainee.
I can't begin to absorb the torture techniques approved by George W. Bush and his criminal administration. Read the article linked to above, and please, rec this diary and send emails to any media outlets you have in your email lists.
THIS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE SWEPT UNDER THE COLLECTIVE UNCONSCIOUSNESS OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BY A COMPLICIT HOUSE AND MEDIA.
Searching for corrupt, lobbyist loving John McCain?
by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:16:25 PM PDT
of all, in same article above:
In the same period, reporter Seymour Hersh, who helped uncover the scandal, said in a speech before an ACLU convention: "Some of the worse that happened that you don't know about, ok? Videos, there are women there. Some of you may have read they were passing letters, communications out to their men ... . The women were passing messages saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened.' "Basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys/children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. The worst about all of them is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror it's going to come out."
Now excuse me while I go vomit. Buhdy, keep beating this drum. We've got to hold these inhuman torture ordering neocons from hell accountable.
by Lisa Lockwood on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:21:28 PM PDT
For some reason electroshocking various body parts seems to fall off lists of the evils those men and women have perpetrated, but its use has been pervasive.
"A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government....President Bush has repeatedly violated the law for six years." Al Gore
by psnyder on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:33:38 PM PDT
seems to me to be the normalization of the electric cattle prods that were favorite tools of South American fascist regimes in the 70s and 80s.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow
by ActivistGuy on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:48:30 PM PDT
Out to convert the non-believer
by Salvor Hardin on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:58:18 PM PDT
Yes...they will get away with it.
The Dems have been in power since 2006. Name a single thing they have done in response to mounting evidence of Constitutional rape, bribery, contracting corruption, torture and wiretap authorization, etc. other than sending polite little letters asking if "pretty please" the perpetrators might come talk to them before a committee.
This has been a simple answer to a simple question.....
No....nothing will happen. It wouldn't be seemly. It would be a distraction. It would waste the time of Congress which needs to focus on more important matters....like the use of drugs by athletes.
Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.
by dweb8231 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:00:20 PM PDT
by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 10:41:41 PM PDT
The media has been all abuzz over the reflection in the sunglasses of the evil one, suggesting that it seems to show a naked woman. Everyone familiar with this administration should know immediately that the only nudity that bring this much of a smile to Cheney's face would be associated with "enhanced interrogation" techniques.
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
by DWG on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:06:12 PM PDT
If honesty were suddenly introduced into American life, the whole system would collapse - George Carlin
by brenda on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:12:47 PM PDT
I truly believe he is pure evil. You know those multiple heart attacks? Well every time he almost kicked the bucket I think the Angel of Death came to him and offered him a choice...
Angel Of Death- "This time you're outta here, buddy".
Cheney- "Wait! wait, not yet. isn't there anything more I can do? You know I wanna live..."
Angel of Death - "You know the terms, Dicky. It's either you or you give me at least 100,000 substitutes."
Cheney - "Consider it done"
Angel of Death - "Wow, Again? You really are one cold bastard"
Cheney - " I'll let you in on a secret. I get a kick out of exceeding your quota."
And presto...Cheney recovers and sets off to get his latest blood sacrifice.
by Eyz on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:47:49 PM PDT
Posting a picture of that criminal in a tip jar is no way to get mojo!! I click the recommend circle, but it was painful!!
Attention Waxman Staffers! Clean up on aisle 1600! huttotex 3/27/07
by reflectionsv37 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:12:55 PM PDT
is not supposed to be easy old friend!
by buhdydharma on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:15:27 PM PDT
Yes.
--Nancy
--Harry
"Steve Holt is now iSteve Holt 3G." - Steve Holt
by cookiesandmilk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:15:42 PM PDT
could be hauled before the international court in the Hague. If charges were brought, it might, at least, inhibit their international travel after leaving office.
I'd love to see them indicted for war crimes in an international court.
The most outrageous lies that can be invented will find believers if a man only tells them with all his might. - Mark Twain
by mkfarkus on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:25:26 PM PDT
It's not like Bush was interested in going anywhere before he was President.
We hope your rules and wisdom choke you / Now we are one in everlasting peace -6.63, -6.97
by amRadioHed on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:22:27 PM PDT
to go to Saudi Arabia
by mkfarkus on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 03:02:48 PM PDT
Congress already made it retroactively legal. And they did it with enough votes that if it was before the congress today, it would pass again.
Not really a diary pimp since it's over a year old.
by jello5929 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:33:14 PM PDT
I doubt they care how much lawlessness gets revealed. "What'r you gonna do about it?", I can almost hear them say. Maybe Cheney's "So?" covers everything.
Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies
by madgranny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:54:09 PM PDT
by jimreyn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:38:48 PM PDT
The majority of the American people think it's okay to torture other human beings if those human beings are "evil." And let's be honest -- there's a certain percentage of the American people who revel in the idea of torturing other human beings.
CrustyPolemicist.blogspot.com
by CrustyPolemicist on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:54:27 PM PDT
call Senator Webb's office again. I know he abhors torture. Perhaps HE will start the conversation. Isn't it sad, that at this point, we are still looking for someone to join Wexler and Kucinich to champion the right thing?
by madgranny on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:45:12 PM PDT
from downthread
Wynton Marsalis:"Blues never lets tragedy have the last word."
by skywriter on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:03:33 PM PDT
Please write to the campaign to tell them that you want to hear Barack Obama clearly state the following:
I will empower my Attorney General to investigate and prosecute any and all crimes committed by government officials in my predecessors' administrations. Executive privilege will be waived when their is reasonable suspicion of criminal activity.
Let the campaign know that no more money will be forthcoming from you until this statement is issued. Even Obama needs to feel the heat on this question.
Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.
by Dallasdoc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:48:15 PM PDT
I have long been worried about how Bush and Chenay will leave office gracefully after committing so many blatant crimes against the Constitution and International Law. I think that right now they are arrogant enough to think they can ride into the sunset, leave their mess to the next President and live off the billions they have stolen from the American people and no one will notice. Bush and Chenay know the severity of the crimes they have committed; promising to investigate and prosecute them would back them into a corner and likely cause any number of disaterous reactions. Bush allegedly has a legal basis for declaring Martial Law in the U.S. We can't afford to encourage him to use it. This regime is approaching levals of Facism we havn't seen since WWII; if we can end it peacefully and democratically, it will be a true testement to the strenth of this country and will go a long way in restoring our stature with the rest of the world. Since Impeachment at this point would take to long to complete and will not happen, the best we can do is work for a resounding Democratic win in November and then go after these crooks only after power has been restored to the People.
McCain - 100 more years of war in Iraq
by Tim D M on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:07:03 PM PDT
by skywriter on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:53:42 PM PDT
Thanks for the correction. ;-)
by Dallasdoc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:00:09 PM PDT
Hemp is good and strong. It holds up when they do the little jig.
by brenda on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:19:06 PM PDT
that has that mug in it???? I don't know if I should give a donut for him or a four for you.
There is no doubt in my mind that they will get away with torture. They have gotten away with everything including Nixon and Iran Contra. The justice system only applys to poor people, black males, and those stupid/unlucky enough to get caught. Justice is not blind, she is a for sale.
...once you're willing to say whatever it takes to win, you lose. ~~Dean
by dkmich on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:16:18 PM PDT
by buhdydharma on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:26:21 PM PDT
until you slammed that pic of Pugnacious Putzoid in my face!!
aka Commander McCodpiece, I become violently nauseated at the very sight!!
Aloha .. .. ..
dolphin777
by dolphin777 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:28:59 PM PDT
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson
by ezdidit on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:39:09 PM PDT
by buhdydharma on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:57:16 PM PDT
America 1776-2000
There is no Left Wing. Left is the truth.
by BA BarackUS on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:39:18 PM PDT
ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY HELL NO !!!!!!!!! They WON'T GET AWAY WITH IT!
We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. -Martin Luther King.
by Eyes Wide Open on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:39:20 PM PDT
...gotten away with it: you cannot "un-torture" people.
by jack rance on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:55:35 PM PDT
by jimreyn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:41:05 PM PDT
Congress may not be willing to act now out of self interest, but I believe some day everyone involved will be tried for war crimes by an international court.
Some day real wood furniture will be what only the rich can afford.
by F64club on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:43:11 PM PDT
Dire consequences for their actions. We are going to make sure of that.
by Eyes Wide Open on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:52:35 PM PDT
can you hear me?
Support the Troops; Buy Mojo Friday Apparel
by TexDem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:46:58 PM PDT
I went to The Hague website to find out the process needed to bring forth the investigation into War Crimes Charges.
Here is the link: http://www.icc-cpi.int/...
Part of the process is explained as follows:
"The Prosecutor may start an investigation upon referral of situations in which there is a reasonable basis to believe that crimes have been or are being committed. Such referrals must be made by a State Party or the Security Council of the United Nations, acting to address a threat to international peace and security. In accordance with the Statute and the Rules of Procedure and Evidence, the Prosecutor must evaluate the material submitted to him before making the decision on whether to proceed.
In addition to State Party and Security Council referrals, the Prosecutor may also receive information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court provided by other sources, such as individuals or non-governmental organisations. The Prosecutor conducts a preliminary examination of this information in every case. If the Prosecutor then decides that there is a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation, he will request the Pre-Trial Chamber to authorise an investigation".
A State Party or the Security Council of the United Nations is the referring party. So, I say we begin this process by writing en masse to our government, who will ignore us, and then to the United Nations Security Council.
Let us begin!
by Eyes Wide Open on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:39:06 PM PDT
by understandinglife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:44:59 PM PDT
really concentrating there. He must be trying to pronounce the word Nuclear(Noo-clee-er) again. That or trying to take a really satisfying dump.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? - Patrick Henry
by BetMyCitizenship on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:57:06 PM PDT
The administration has leaked this information intentionally, which will stimulate a full discussion about Bush/Cheney giving the go-ahead, to which Cheney will say, "So?" and Bush will smirk and say defensively, "It's my job as the Commander in Chief to keep Amerkins safe."
Audacity is the foot soldier for evil; if evil is out front, discussed, pondered upon, and defended, it will go away and will be given a proper burial...no tacky pun intended. I don't use the word evil very much, but it is definitely warranted when talking about the Bush administration. We will have this discussion about torture as a country for a few weeks, it will be argued that it is a "necessary evil for the times we are in", and Rush Limbaugh and O'Biley will declare anyone who doesn't think so a fascist, mark my words.
The tide is shifting, incidiously, toward the neocon-right; people I know that I never would guess believe that torture now is warranted for a nuclear world, and that Article IV protections can be discarded in the name of safety. It really is frightening the extent to which the evil practiced by Cheney, Bush, et. al. has seeped in to the general populace's beliefs.
"We, two, form a multitude." --Ovid
by CanyonWren on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:58:46 PM PDT
After the debate has died down, something just a little bit worse will come out.
First, we heard about gitmo, then we heard about the secret CIA prisons overseas. We were told about gitmo so that when we eventually found out about the other prisons, the outcry would be greatly reduced and ineffectual.
Same situation here.
Here is the part where I say something about boiling frogs.
They see me trollin'. They hatin'
by obnoxiotheclown on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:17:58 PM PDT
what could be worse than the top level of the Executive Branch actually admitting they broke the law and signed off on torture even before Yoo's manipulation of existing legislation. I hope something worse does turn up...maybe then the American public will be angry enough to actually do something about it....like impeach and imprison.
by CanyonWren on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:09:47 PM PDT
Here and at Docudharma:
Answering the Question -- "Will They Get Away with It?"
So, will they get away with it?
You'll have to click on the link to see...
War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus
by Valtin on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:14:38 PM PDT
or send him back to TX! NOW and not later.
...............Impeach the Bastard.................
and Nancy too!
NOW!!
by victoria2dc on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:57:31 PM PDT
because seeing his ugly mug is really, really, incredibly annoying.
NFTT Progressively supporting the troops
by Timroff on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:29:36 PM PDT
That picture reminds me of a picture of Benito Mussolini..
They had fangs...they were drinking blood....They had this look in their eyes, totally animal. I think they were young Republicans. (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
by wrights on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:40:43 PM PDT
hundreds of thousands over the past five years? They will certainly get away with torture. There will be no impeachment. There will be no prosecutions brought by the next administration.
Back when the impeachment debates raged here, many argued that Congress did not - whatever oath they take - have any obligation to impeach. Remember: the aim of this site is to elect Democrats, and what could serve that aim better than having a bunch of war criminals to run against?
by Felix Culpa on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:51:54 PM PDT
U.S. CODE, TITLE 18, PART 1, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 4: MISPRISION OF FELONY: ‘Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some Judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both’.
U.S. CODE, TITLE 18, PART 1, CHAPTER 1, SECTION 4: MISPRISION OF FELONY:
‘Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some Judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both’.
Where I got it? There may be a backstory of just hideous proportions here, in Bushco/Bankster Land. But, Crime of the Century doesn't even come close, if the story is true.
Until the story is confirmed, I clamp my tin-foil hat on tightly and await any news...
May those who have ears hear (with their eyeballs!).
If you dance with the devil, then you haven't got a clue; 'Cause you think you'll change the devil, but the devil changes you. - illyia
by illyia on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:36:25 PM PDT
wide narrow
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