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It just isn't very juicy. But, what do I know...
by latinadem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:40:59 PM PDT
if you're a typical white person...
Ha ha, I just wrote Bruce Tinsley's next 50 comics!
But seriously: That's about what this is. Something that will get tons of play in indignant editorial cartoons, e-mail, and right wing radio shows, and probably Fox and Friends, but it isn't that juicy.
by greatn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:44:16 PM PDT
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plus McCain's campaign is running with it. Saying Obama's 'out of touch'. Its the whole Rev. Wright, Michelle Obama, patriotism thing. This will hurt. I don't know how much.
"Self-knowledge is always bad news" John Barth, The Sot Weed Factor
by ellenhamm on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:53:16 PM PDT
but probably from people who are seizing on the only arguably negative story on Obama today. That's happened before, to no great effect. This isn't like Wright with some big dramatic video.
by latinadem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:55:32 PM PDT
to help paint a picture, to tell a story that is negative and that narrative may influence some.
Hoffa has ben going around Pennsyvania promoting Obama. This statement will undercut that.
i do not think it will help him in the Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina primaries.
If I were his opponnet, I would work that statement into a TV ad. I imagine it is being done as we speak.
The question is, how do we overcome this, if Obama is nominated?
He needs a counter narrative that reaches the very people he described. His current narrative does not.
"The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08
by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:07:53 PM PDT
seizes the opportunity:
Clinton hits Obama over reported 'bitter' comment Posted: 05:57 PM ET Clinton is seizing on a recently reported Obama comment. (CNN) — Democrat Hillary Clinton is seizing on comments Barack Obama recently made in which he reportedly said some Pennsylvanians who have lost their jobs are "bitter." "It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who face hard times are bitter," Clinton said during a campaign event in Philadelphia. "Well that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania. I meet people who are resilient, optimist positive who are rolling up their sleeves." "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them, who fights hard for your future, your jobs, your families."
Clinton hits Obama over reported 'bitter' comment Posted: 05:57 PM ET
Clinton is seizing on a recently reported Obama comment.
(CNN) — Democrat Hillary Clinton is seizing on comments Barack Obama recently made in which he reportedly said some Pennsylvanians who have lost their jobs are "bitter."
"It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who face hard times are bitter," Clinton said during a campaign event in Philadelphia. "Well that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania. I meet people who are resilient, optimist positive who are rolling up their sleeves."
"Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them, who fights hard for your future, your jobs, your families."
cnn.com
by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:13:41 PM PDT
just got laid off from a SECOND job in a year. Damn right she's bitter.
(They don't live in PA, FWIW.)
"I'm trying to believe in you but this world sold its faith for parking lots and drunk sincerity." - the ataris
by indiemcemopants on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:17:28 PM PDT
because she's wealthy. Who wouldn't be bitter if they couldn't find a job?
by latinadem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:19:07 PM PDT
It is what some will describe (hell, have described) as condescension.
See McCain's spokesman.
Obama gave Clinton (and McCain) a gift there.
In sports, I'd call that an unforced error.
I want the eventual winner to be able to beat McCain, whether that is Obama or Clinton.
by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:22:09 PM PDT
looks down on them? Well then she's certainly not campaigning for herself.
by Agent Scully on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:30:21 PM PDT
comment. She learned her lessons well.
by brueso on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:58:54 PM PDT
I emailed Ben Smith about this comment because my parents were at this fundraiser and he was VERY FLIPPANT in his response. I asked him to provide the full quote because my mom said that Obama also discussed how many in urban America feel resentment as well.
The media will do anything to make sure that a black man is not elected president.
I hate Harold Ford Jr
by oak510 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:08:22 PM PDT
And I regretfully have to inform that you're completely wrong.
you guy get of you gody te sho feel good and combaya and get real - wilson279
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:14:52 PM PDT
Who has had a disdain for Obama. I used to defend him but it is as clear as day now what he is doing.
by oak510 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:38:58 PM PDT
People needs to stop this. If someone disagrees with Obama or is pro-hillary, does not make that person a racist and the reverse is true. If you don't believe in Hillary, disagree with her stance, etc., does not make you a Sexist. This is getting out of hand.
by Secretasianman on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:42:51 PM PDT
someone who throws out accusations against people you don't know, thereby making an ass out of yourself, new user #149,985.
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:44:40 PM PDT
by ObamaManiac2008 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:34:24 PM PDT
We need video these days. And even that isn't a guarantee to persuade people.
**sigh**
A liberal is a conversative who drank the Kool-Aid---Trust me when I say that Progressive Catholic Democrats Do Exist!
by mselite on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:30:31 PM PDT
---when will he ever learn?
by dotster on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:10:51 PM PDT
Obama for "looking down" on Pennsylvanians. She is so sad. She should spend more time reining in her campaign and her husband and stop worrying about trying to make Obama look bad.
"Well, that’s not my experience," she continued. "As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They’re working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children." "Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, and your families," she said, implicitly casting Obama as an elitist.
"Well, that’s not my experience," she continued. "As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They’re working hard every day for a better future for themselves and their children."
"Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, and your families," she said, implicitly casting Obama as an elitist.
I so despise that woman, Hillary Clinton. SMH!
by deminpa08 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:23:38 PM PDT
(Notice Bill clinging on for dear life).
Welcome Back, Hillary & friends!
by Krum on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:16:48 PM PDT
typical white woman.
But if you isolate it and repeat it over and over, you can change the apparent meaning of it. This is exactly the kind of thing they'll hit Obama with whenever they can. Hope it doesn't make him overly cautious over time.
McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?
by Sun dog on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:45:07 PM PDT
Are those who weren't going to vote for Obama anyways. The point is moot.
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by NMLib on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:47:02 PM PDT
over the weekend. But I think Obama should be ready to do a counter-comment at the next debate, cause Hill will try her best to get it in there.
by brueso on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:10:47 PM PDT
withering at all. We are 11 days out of PA, and this is the type of thing you can bet Clinton will exploit this thing to her benefit.
I say that Obama put up the FULL VIDEO of his statements, and also address the issue head on as he tends to do with anything that will turn explosive. He can't sleep on this, yet he shouldn't come across as being overly reactive.
A big problem with this presidential campaign has been the constant act of taking a person out of their context. That is never a good thing.
I personally don't see how this could be viewed as Obama "looking down" on PA voters, but really showing how he understands their point of view.
by mselite on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:35:01 PM PDT
Not on a day when Hillary and Bill aren't getting along; it might show up, but it won't be a big spectacle. Maybe just a comment about how he needs to try to relate more to the rural voter, etc. and this makes him look like an elitist or something. Nothing we haven't heard in the past.
In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell
by ElizabethAM on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:47:29 PM PDT
his nose at people, is an accusation that Rove already has thrown out there so you can bet it's going to be one of their methods of attack in the general. They're going to turn him into Dukakis- another Harvard liberal elitist. Tweety and Joe Scar and to some extent Maureen Dowd have already been pushing that angle, Tweety noting Obama was in a diner and the owner offered him a copy of coffee and he declined but asked for orange juice instead, and Mo Do noting he declined chocolate in a PA chocolate factory as though 'he's watching his figure'. Here we're just wrapping up 8 years under another swaggering testerone-driven nut and Mo Dow wants another one.
I can just hear Hannity now: "At a million dollar meeting of California elites, Barack Obama says Pennsylvanians are all bitter gun-crazy nuts-clinging to God. What's Obama got against religion and what's got against the average working man?".
by brueso on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:52:53 PM PDT
fray saying that Pennsylvanian's don't need someone who will look down on them.
by latinadem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:02:46 PM PDT
by keschen on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:04:21 PM PDT
by latinadem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:06:05 PM PDT
I wasn't paying close attention as the segment started, but CNN put up a graphic of words in quotation marks that were ascribed to Obama, then followed that with video of Hillary's reaction while campaigning in PA.
by keschen on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:21:59 PM PDT
tone of Obama's voice would've made it obvious he wasn't sneering at PA people in pain. She's probably so relieved she can run with a new jab- she was desperately running her tired old 'His advisor said he won't stick to his Iraq plan" jab- 5 weeks after Powers has left the campaign. This new comment probably gave Bill, Randell, Pat Buchanan and Tweety each a woody...
by brueso on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:01:46 PM PDT
by latinadem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:08:26 PM PDT
It was taken completely out of CONTEXT.
by oak510 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:19:18 PM PDT
just kidding
Well, SURE it's being taken out of context- but that's what Fox et al do.
It is uncanny that I guessed the 'looks down his nose' spin that Rove used would be taken up by someone- and then Hillary went and did exactly that. She'll be saying it for the next 5 days or so cause Lord knows she hasn't had anything positive to say about her own campaign and then Bill went and re-invoked the sniper fire...
by brueso on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:57:54 PM PDT
For one thing Americans are not anti-trade, they're anti-corporate free trade.
For another, I wouldn't lump that sentiment or guns and religion in with anti-immigrant feeling.
All in all a tone-deaf, patronizing statement that will rightfully hurt him.
by david mizner on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:24:16 PM PDT
feelings is the most hurtful to America. I've seen such a surge in anti immigrant feelings lately, and a tolerance for anti immigrant feelings, even here in dkos. If it's so bad here, imagine what it's like in the red states. I'm glad to see Obama talking about xenophobia. This will help him with immigrants and pro immigrant voters.
by immigradvocate on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:46:37 PM PDT
not all Americans are anti-free-trade for corporations; some believe that helps corporations compete successfully. just saying.
and what Obama said is that people will find someone or something to blame for their ills when the real problems have never been addressed to begin with. That is, the PA people don't want handouts and promises; they want some jobs.
And after years of Clinton/Bush "understanding", those people STILL don't have a vibrant economy. Maybe it's time for someone who's tone-deaf to the tunes of politics as usual.
by IndieinVa on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:58:30 PM PDT
Drudge dropped the link and the Fox is headlining it now. The Republican Noise Machine is running.Gross.
by ToddRam on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:35:06 PM PDT
What's up with that? Politico hasn't though.
by deminpa08 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:37:27 PM PDT
it raises their ratings.
by immigradvocate on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:48:12 PM PDT
wide narrow
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