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  •  an unforced error (8+ / 0-)

    It's an unforced error by Obama.  There was no need to say what he did.  If he ends up the nominee, which still is an open question, he needs to stop that.

    It's being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who face hard times are bitter," Clinton said during a campaign event in Philadelphia. "Well that's not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania. I meet people who are resilient, optimist positive who are rolling up their sleeves."

    "Pennsylvanians don't need a president who looks down on them," she said. "They need a president who stands up for them, who fights hard for your future, your jobs, your families."

    cnn.com

    McCain's campaign also criticized the comment Friday, saying "It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking."

    "It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans," Steve Schmidt, a senior advisor to McCain, said.

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    "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

    by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:30:06 PM PDT

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    •  No no no no! (1+ / 0-)

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      carllaw

      What he said was perfectly alright, and even to his political advantage!!!

      OR
      How do you KNOW he said that?  This could all be made up!

      •  Actually I am glad he (11+ / 0-)

        did say it -- its a fact.  People in small towns (and I live in one) who have seen manufacturing dry up, Big Agra sweep up farms, big box stores destroy their downtowns -- are bitter about that.  Often, rather than facing down the why of the matter or gathering forces to change a situation, folks focus on what is a comfort to them -- guns, religion and blaming the brown guy.

        It is tough to say something unpleasant, even insulting -- but when it is true, it is what I'd rather hear than Pennsylvanians are all as happy as idealized Amish.  That's the lie.

        My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

        by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:38:34 PM PDT

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      •  It will be used against him (1+ / 0-)

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        Because some people will be too quick to concede that he "shouldn't have said that."  

        People cling to divisive issues to their own detriment, and to the detriment of our political process.  This is, as much as anything else, the message of his campaign.  

        I sort of find a splash of truth refreshing.

        •  Frig it (2+ / 0-)

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          if he burps it will be used against him -- same with Clinton, if she says something not popular.  People have more hissy-fits about stoopid stuff rather than focusing on actual issues.  The actual issue here is that some people are bitter.  If anyone wants to tell me that isn't true, I want a shitload of links to back up their assertion.

          My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

          by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:44:56 PM PDT

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          •  He also pointed out that these people are the (1+ / 0-)

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            ones who slipped thru the cracks with the Clinton administration and Bush. Those parts of the country haven't bounced back. I am pretty sure that Obama will make it a plus, I mean there was nothing wrong with what he said, it is true, sad but true.

      •  LOL!!! (3+ / 0-)

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        Yes, that's the first reaction.  Soon, the Obama campaign will get their talking points distributed and a more sophisicated reaction will show up in media and elsewhere.  

        Compare his statement to John Edwards:

        And we do this -- we do this for each other in America. We don't turn away from a neighbor in their time of need. Because every one of us knows that what -- but for the grace of God, there goes us. The American people have never stopped doing this, even when their government walked away, and walked away it has from hardworking people, and, yes, from the poor, those who live in poverty in this country.

        For decades, we stopped focusing on those struggles. They didn't register in political polls, they didn't get us votes and so we stopped talking about it. I don't know how it started. I don't know when our party began to turn away from the cause of working people, from the fathers who were working three jobs literally just to pay the rent, mothers sending their kids to bed wrapped up in their clothes and in coats because they couldn't afford to pay for heat.

        It's a matter of respect in your gut.  John Edwards grew up working class.  Those are his people.  

        Obama needs to work on his tone deafness to working class folks or he will lose to McCain.  

        "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

        by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:51:02 PM PDT

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      •  It's not made up, I am listening to it on CNN (0+ / 0-)

        but as usual the media is misrepresenting what he said and is saying. I don't know how this will play out, but what he said is right. No one is bothering to quote him correctly, so what else is new. They are so busy manufacturing news, yet again they simply can not report the real news that is out there and there is plenty of news out there to report.

    •  One of the few times (2+ / 0-)

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      I'll respectfully disagree with you, Tom.  It is easier for a Candidate to say they've met the happy resilient people of PA rather than acknowledge the fact that there's a bunch of folks who aren't.  Was it a politically saavy thing for him to say?  Maybe not. But it wasn't condescending either.

      My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:40:54 PM PDT

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      •  It's not the happy part or bitter part. (4+ / 0-)

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        Burned, gchaucer2, bugscuffle, carllaw

        It's this part:

        "they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," he also said.

        Clinton probably still listens to Penn, so she only gets the critique in half way.

        McCain's spokesmen went right for the jugular.

        It does not matter if it IS condescending.  It will be portrayed as such.  McCain's folks jumped all over it.

        They have the narrative of effete and elite liberal. They will spin it.

        It's not the end of the world, but I wish he had not said it.

        "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

        by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:54:46 PM PDT

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        •  It's like it was written (1+ / 0-)

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          by Mark Steyn as a parody of a latte liberal.

          •  Jesus, (0+ / 0-)

            I really do believe you are a Republican at this point.

            My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

            by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:00:13 PM PDT

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          •  Yes. He can overcome it. (2+ / 0-)

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            carllaw, socialgenius1

            I don't blame Clinton for attacking; it's fair game.  

            Obama actually did relatively well in Southern Illinois, which is definetely not "latte" liberals.  

            He needs to restrain his academic side, because where he may not really mean it the way some take it, what he says at times can be misportrayed.

            Remember Dean's statement about Confederate flags and pickups?

            I think Obama is trying to understand the "other," but he needs to break down that barrier that makes them the "other."  That is what working class folks and rural folks may hear, especially if they are suspicious anyway.  They may hear him sounding superior.  

            No one wants their cultural choices reduced by some pop psychology, whether it is "latte" liberals or rural and working class/blue collar workers.        

            Guns are partof rural life in wys urban and suburban folks like me do not really understand.  Those who are religious do not see it as a reaction to bitterness stemming from losing jobs.

            They may feel disrespected.  Obama's political competitors will make certain they are told taht he is, whether he really is or not.

            "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

            by TomP on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:08:13 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, I agree (0+ / 0-)

          that spin is everything in this election and it is tough leaving an opening.  For me, the statement was true, but, as you said, my belief is not what will matter in the primary.  I am sorry we've come to this point (even though I know it has always existed).  Obama supporters look for the slightest gaffe by Clinton and vice-versa.  Of course, I'm a hypocrite because I'll look for minutia if McCain says anything.

          My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

          by gchaucer2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 03:59:29 PM PDT

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    •  So you just accept the Clinton and McCain spin (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks for your concern.

      McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

      by jhecht on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:05:00 PM PDT

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