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The "war" is bankrupting us. We're f**ked financially, thanks to Bush, Cheney, et al. I think that was part of the GOP plan.
If the people lead, the leaders will follow.
by Mz Kleen on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:35:58 AM PDT
and neither can the Iraqis.
You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley
by murrayewv on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:39:35 AM PDT
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Iraqis. Two million families are refugees and another 2 million are displaced within Iraq. Their infrastruture has been destroyed. It's no wonder they hate us.
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by blue jersey mom on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:42:39 AM PDT
There are way more D.P.s than two million and there are two million Iraqis in Syria alone. As I recall more than that have decamped to Kurdistan, which has been very quiet compared to the Sunni and Shi'ia Arab areas.
by Stranded Wind on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:54:59 AM PDT
From no other a source than the man (I use the term loosely) himself:
"The march to war hurt the economy. Laura reminded me a while ago that remember what was on the TV screens -- she calls me, 'George W.' -- 'George W.' I call her, 'First Lady.' No, anyway -- she said, we said, march to war on our TV screen. - George W. Bush, Bay Shore, New York, Mar. 11, 2004
How did this chump get an MBA from Harvard? they must give them away as frat party favors
If Liberals really hated America we'd vote Republican
by exlrrp on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:13:40 AM PDT
had it bought for him ?
"The fussy armchair jackboots"
by indycam on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:44:51 AM PDT
to the sons of very, very important people. People who have access to every secret file the government has and with insane amounts of money as well.
by northsylvania on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:11:26 AM PDT
slipping this in . http://artfrommi.dailykos.com/... Permalink
by ArtfromMI on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:15:45 AM PDT
dead people (except for the Republican Guard) so its not like they count.
"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower
by bobdevo on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:29:03 AM PDT
and I usually like him, he was talking about the surplus the Iraqi government has (?100 billion?) and pushing the idea that THEY owe us some money since we're spending so much on this war.
If I'd known the number and hadn't been in my car, I would have called in. My memory isn't great but is seems McCaskill had been saying a similar thing recently and Ed was referring to this.
I am appalled that anyone could think that after we go in and completely and utterly destroy their country with a war based on lies, provide the impetus for a civil war which has left thousands upon thousands of Iraqis dead, that THEY owe US money.
What kind of back-ass-wards thinking is this?
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by juslikagrzly on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:32:24 AM PDT
that the U.S. is pouring money into Iraq including money for infrastructure repairs/rebuilding and instead of using that money for those purposes, the Iraqi government has very quietly been putting that money away (in foreign banks I believe but not positive) and not using it for the intended purposes. So, I don't think he meant to imply that they "owe" us money for destroying their country. It's just that they have a lot of nerve socking that money away while sitting back and "letting" the U.S. bear the full brunt of the repair/rebuilding costs. The Bush Administration needs to step up and tell them that we will no longer be "handing" them money for these purposes until they start acting like a government and do what needs to be done. (Ha! Like THAT will ever happen!)
by 3goldens on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:50:31 AM PDT
but I listened for quite some time and didn't hear the context that the Iraqi government is "socking" away the money we give them for infrastructure.
There was just talk about we're spending all this money to "help" the Iraqis and not getting any back.
I think we should follow our own lead and spend money to rebuild what we broke! Saddam was nasty, no doubt, but did it take complete devastation of their country to get rid of him? Stupid, stupid war run by evil, evil people.
by juslikagrzly on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 01:31:27 PM PDT
Senator Carl Levin's opening statement on April 10 for the Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing on the Situation in Iraq. I did listen to the hearings this week (with Petraeus and Crocker), so possibly that's where I got the idea that the Iraqis weren't exactly holding up their end of the deal with regard to infrastructure repairs/rebuilding. I realized in reading Levin's statement that it's not American aid dollars being squirreled away but Iraqi oil revenues that the U.S. had expected them to use to aid in reconstruction.
by 3goldens on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:13:08 PM PDT
this is more in line with what I thought I heard. Of course my memory is going fast.
appreciate you looking this up.
by juslikagrzly on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 02:22:04 PM PDT
that takes place when Monsanto's GM corn pollen cross-pollinates with a neighboring crop.
Once their genes contaminate your crop, you owe them money, because you have stolen their patented genes without paying for them. (By their reckoning, you "benefit" from those genes you didn't want.)
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by mataliandy on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:40:57 PM PDT
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by GoogleBonhoeffer on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:42:20 AM PDT
plan or simply profound ineptitude. There are parts of the Rethug economic plan--tax cuts for the rich, lowering the estate taxes--that I know were intentional, but the Rethugs are such terrible money managers that I think that some of the economic consequences are simply signs of gross mismanagement. Stupid mistakes like debathification and putting 23-year-old graduates of Regent University are just stupidity.
by blue jersey mom on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:41:13 AM PDT
Good point.
Fundamental difference between liberal Democrats and Republicans: We support taxing raising taxes on dead people and lowering the burden on working people.
They support subsidizing dead people and burdening workers.
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by Caoimhin Laochdha on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:52:34 AM PDT
people...Democrats support lowering the burden on working people".
I like the visual contrast.
"We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, US AG
by Mr SeeMore on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:47:57 AM PDT
he means increase taxes on working people
George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10
by nathguy on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:04:20 AM PDT
is a crock, anyway. Somewhere, and I'm too lazy to look it up this morning, there are stats that say the number of estates affected is merely a tiny part of the whole. But it was sold to middle Amurrika so as to convince everyone that their inheritance was at risk, obscuring the thruth that it affects just a few overprivileged frat boys like Bush.
The degree to which you resist injustice is the degree to which you are free. -- Utah Phillips
by Mnemosyne on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:48:15 AM PDT
Tell me quick, where is it? Who's it coming from? My mom who lives on social security? Damn, I'm stoked someone in my extended, barely-getting-by family must have some money secretly stashed somewhere! <snark>
by juslikagrzly on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:36:45 AM PDT
your inheritance is a big fat never ending tax bill . Payment due every year . Thank You bushco .
by indycam on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:49:29 AM PDT
that I'm leaving them such a wonderful inheritance! A country gone to hell morally, financially.....
by juslikagrzly on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:00:44 AM PDT
by indycam on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:07:41 AM PDT
by juslikagrzly on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:34:30 AM PDT
"Iraq: the bravest 1% fighting for the richest 1%." ~ An Unknown Kossack.
by Neon Vincent on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:34:26 AM PDT
Maybe I should fix the typo (oops!), since I meant to say:
Fundamental difference between liberal Democrats and Republicans: We support taxing raising taxes on dead people and lowering the burden on working people. They support subsidizing dead people and burdening workers.
Appreciate the thought Neon!
by Caoimhin Laochdha on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:19:06 AM PDT
They planned on turning Iraq into a necon theme park. It was going to be a model for Chicago school economics.
The fact that their pet theories were unworkable in thriving western democracies and utterly inconceivable in Iraq was secondary. The fact that the people who were chosen to carry out these crackpot theories were totally over their heads was merely icing on the cake.
Our government's approach to remaking Iraq is a more benign version of the Khmer Rouge's approach to remaking Cambodia.
Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?
by RFK Lives on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:51:25 AM PDT
from the MBA Prez'nit. After all, look what all of those MBA's have done to the economy, at large! If generating and churning money is your only goal, everything else will suffer.
Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.
by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:18:21 AM PDT
Leo Strauss on down, are incompetent crackpots who have never accomplished anything positive in their miserable lives.
by bobdevo on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:30:14 AM PDT
And then the PNAC plan was to use Iraq as a base to take over the rest of the Mid east oil fields.
I just can't help but guess that these "neoclown think tanks" would work better if they hired somebody with brains.
Than goodness these clowns couldn't plan to wipe their own asses.
St. Ronnie was an asshole.
by manwithnoname on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:57:57 AM PDT
And we expect them to prove themselves wrong? That would just be silly!
I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.
by SciVo on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:33:12 AM PDT
Lies, on top of Lies, on top of Lies.
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by 1Eco on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 12:09:19 PM PDT
and one of the most insidious aspects of funding is the continued reliance on emergency supplemental appropriations that do not go through the budget process with normal fiscal controls and scrutiny. And five years into the occupation, we know the burn rate of $12 billion/month that should be budgeted.
However we need to be prepared with other counter arguments. As Bush says 'We don't go to war on the calculations of green eye-shaded accountants or economists.' And just think how much the cost would be if left Saddam in power, or if we now did not "win" in Iraq.
These lame talking points are being used to justify the expenditures and dismiss the cost as inconsequential. The first is meaningless political posturing. For the second, we may need to don the green eye shades and do the CBA. But in the end, the question comes back to what does "win" mean, and how much do we chose to accept in terms of human misery and how much can we afford to spend to achieve that definition of "win".
by rlteiken on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:42:07 AM PDT
..IMHO. Look at what Afghanistan did to Russia. It helped push them over the edge and the end result was the moneyed elite took over Russia. They looked at what happened in Russia and didn't see a problem, they saw a plan.
What a perfect way to finally end the Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security programs. They know they can't get anyone to "vote" them out of existence, but if they crash the economy those programs would most likely disappear and they would be able to buy up the rest of America in a fire sale.
This is how they make the U.S. Government small enough to drown in a bath tub.
Of course, I would love to see a Dem elected President and turn it around on them. Due to the disparity in who benefited from the economy over the past eight years and the dire straights this country is in, a millionaires tax of 65% would be levied for 2008 earnings/income, regardless of source (securities, investments, etc.) over $10 million to help straighten the country out (If they don't like what they have to pay, they have the choice of getting $30K a year job like the rest of us.) If you don't like what you pay in taxes, don't earn it.
Thereafter the tax for profits exceeding $10 million would be 50%. On individuals and corporations. I call it, "The millionaires flat tax," since so many of them want a flat tax. Income from $20K to $10 million would be a progressive tax and over that, a flat tax. Under $20K would be no taxes. If the wealthy whine about that, let them go live on $20K or less per year and see how "wonderful" it is to try and scrape by.
The sleep of reason produces monsters.
by Alumbrados on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:00:43 AM PDT
Its the lack of tax on unearned income, the inherited and capitol gains. Thats what makes our system so regressive.
Democrats give you the Bill of Rights; Republicans sell you a bill of goods!
by barbwires on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:10:08 AM PDT
the 'Inheritance' tax is really a 'death' tax. I've also been told (by Republicans) that when you tax something you get less of it. So apparently Republicans don't want less death (and they call themselves the 'pro-life' party).
Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."
by Sacramento Dem on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 10:10:30 AM PDT
That was always its plan - get us into a war and then loot the Treasury. With deficit spending, they not only looted the contemporary surplus, they looted generations of citizens for decades to come.
Into whose pockets did all the money go? Who actually got rich during this festival of theft? Find them, tax them, and force them to give it back. Take their homes. Pry open their offshore accounts.
Do whatever it takes to make this country equitable again.
For a long time, the middle class could forget the poor, hidden in their slums, because the middle class got by in their homes with their toys. They could ignore the rich, as well, because they didn't see them, and they had no idea how rich they were.
Now the middle class is being destroyed by debt, by healthcare costs, and by pension thefts. There isn't anything to distract them anymore, and soon they will have nothing left to lose. That's when the whole country will be an unpredictable tinderbox and all the gated communities in the nation won't be able to keep the out.
The images of Mussolini hanging by his heels keep coming to mind. I suppose the Bushes don't believe the tumbrils could ever roll here.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. -The Histories of Herodotus, Book 7, Ch. 49
by Louise on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 11:46:02 AM PDT
wide narrow
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