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Sic Transit Gloria Locavore!
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:12:16 PM PDT
Will be the story of the 21st Century.
While waiting for - the usually more talkative - Kos to speak last night on Maher, he brought up an aspect of this...the use of crops as feed to higher value livestock animals. Could also add the use of corn in ethanol that isn't quite panning out but does increase the cost of corn. Vicious circle.
Maybe if we had fewer people... Would rather it occur through information and birth control. Fear it will more likely happen through war and disease.
Garrhgsfsafasd!
by Hedwig on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:16:17 PM PDT
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will shape up as the most expensive of commodities in the near future.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:20:52 PM PDT
I've been looking for some suitable for growing food for my immediate family. It's hard to come by, been turned into housing developments.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell
by zic on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:39:58 PM PDT
The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you.
by skeptigal on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:09:54 PM PDT
that gaining control of the dams along the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers was going to turn out to be just as big a piece of the puzzle about the rush to war in Iraq as was control of the oil supply. Irrigation services by Haliburton, anyone?
They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself. - Andy Warhol
by 1864 House on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:03:59 PM PDT
that the Israeli's foray into Lebanon a couple of summers back was not entirely motivated by the so-called kidnapping of the young soldiers. Water played the major part in it.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:06:53 PM PDT
but it might have been in Natural History, as well. Last Fall they had an entire issue devoted to the world's supply of potable water. Scary statistics, and an eye opener about who wastes the most water (three guesses, and they are all probably right: USA).
"This is not our America and we need to take it back." John Edwards.
by mcmom on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:27:08 PM PDT
about everything the world produces!! Far outta proportion to our numbers, IIRC!
Aloha .. .. ..
dolphin777
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:31:20 PM PDT
land in So. America!!
Humankind can prolly accommodate (sic?) to shortage, nonexistence of fuels-- but NO lifeform can live w/o water!!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:19:47 PM PDT
urban legend.
by Rick Winrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:16:25 PM PDT
The WH has never issued a denial. Paraguay press has published it on a number of occasions.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:31:41 PM PDT
Rev. Moon, > 1.5 M acres in Paraguay!
Size of Guarani Aquifier: greater than Texas, California combined; estimated to be sufficient for world's fresh water needs for 200 years!!
Area visited by Rummy Rumsfeld; US military presence visibly increasing-- to great consternation of governments of: Argentina; Uruguay; Paraguay; Brazil.
Jenna Bush accompanied by ten (10!!) security guards while dining in a Paraguay restaurant.
UKs Guardian reliable source for info.
Appears you and I, AAF, do NOT dismiss this as "an urban legend"!!
I'm throwing down the gauntlet, Rick Winrod!!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:56:46 PM PDT
sent here by the repukes to post denials ;0)
To the FBI and CIA: I'm a good citizen, I pay my taxes, nothing to see here, move along....
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:07:13 PM PDT
still be in some files from my Viet Nam (and Gulf War I!) activist days!!
Sad to say, I do pay my taxes, while getting heartburn over 48-cents-every-$ goes to MICC!!
Rick's profile no help here, AAF. So can't tell if he's some kinda troll!! Perhaps he just enjoys playing Devil's Advocate?! All kine ways to get one's jollies, n'est pas!!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:23:21 PM PDT
first, I stand corrected. It used to be on Snopes that it was an urban legend - or maybe I just heard it that way. It's not on Snopes. I was wrong.
Dontcha think this at least rises to the level of flag-lapel pins?
by Rick Winrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:54:29 PM PDT
pins?". Please explain!!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:24:21 PM PDT
flag lapel is the story from the Repubescent's faux outrage over Obama not wearing his America flag lapel pin!!!!
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:14:14 AM PDT
I'd be very interested to read 'em.
BTW, I've developed a residential graywater system (laundry to toilet) that can be made to work for renters as well as homeowners, in apartments as well as single-unit houses, and appears to be the first such system that'll pass muster with city building inspectors. I'm going to "open-source" it so anyone can build it for themselves or for sale to others.
My pals & I (sustainable community planning group) are working on a bunch of this kind of stuff, and we're going to open-source all of it via Creative Commons license terms "attribution and share-alike."
by G2geek on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:02:05 PM PDT
recycling laundry water into my garden! I live in an area technically regarded as desert. We can get hit with El Nino affect, and live with drought threat!
I'd be most interested to learn more, G2geek.
Many mahalo in advance!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:10:02 PM PDT
Have the output from your washing machine discharge into a tank, for example a 60-gallon drum. Use a hand pump or small electrical pump to move that water via flexible hose to the nearest bathroom, where it can be stored in small quantities e.g. in a 5-gallon pail. You can manually empty water from the 5-gallon pail into a 2-gallon pail for convenience, and pour that water directly into the toilet bowl to flush the contents of the bowl.
All of this can be automated with pumps and secondary storage containers.
The place where we win on the local code issue is: Put a 5-gallon tank as high above the toilet as possible, e.g hang it from the ceiling or mount it in the attic above (if the latter, it could be 10 gallons). Input to that tank is from the hose from the tank next to the washer. Output from that tank is via a hose attached to the input to the toilet flush tank, instead of the usual fresh water input. The key here is to avoid any contact between a graywater line and a freshwater line. The 5-gallon tank gives you a few flushes before you have to switch on the pump to refill it, but that control task can be performed by a couple of water level sensors.
Also, going back to the tank next to the washer, it needs to have an overflow that discharges to a conventional drain, just in case you end up doing more laundry than the tank will hold the water from (pardon my tortured grammar here).
I'm going to publish this stuff on my own site as soon as I can get it written up into appropriate format, pictures included.
Key point: laundry to toilet will raise none of the issues that may be raised by laundry or shower to food crop irrigation. Your family and your contractor should have no problem with it.
by G2geek on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:34:42 PM PDT
Please alert us as to when you have it published, my email is in my profile, many thanks.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:39:16 AM PDT
I'll look up your email address and write to you when I have the graywater doc up on my site.
Thanks....
by G2geek on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 06:37:50 PM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/...
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:37:32 AM PDT
our ability to change. It presents very "doable" challenges.
I have an irrational faith in reason.
by the fan man on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:38:42 PM PDT
Doable is a long way from actually doing. All the things involved with his suggestions also come up against other interests that would fight against those changes. I'm not saying that it is impossible just that, at this time, I don't think we have the will or focus to accomplish it. Besides, my comment wasn't a in-depth review of the diary but my general view of the direction we are going. I hope that his ideas can be implemented. I'm just a bit pessimistic about it.
Just take ethanol production. How would you get a politician in the US to take a stand against it now?
by Hedwig on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:47:17 PM PDT
and real quick. The evidence is overwhelming. I did read yesterday that Jean Ziegler (of the UN) described the rush to biofuels as "a crime against humanity". I can see Obama fighting the good fight here.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:51:23 PM PDT
and more so when a president is married to it in the form of enlisting as energy advisors two who are ethanol lobbyists, as are both Daschle and Dole...and a nuclear power CEO (Exelon) who form per Grist the Bipartisan Policy Center which is the source of an energy policy plan in which there is zero mention of solar, wind, efficiency or much of any specifics actually except ethanol and nukes... or theres that other candidate who followed Gore,Pew and NRDC, but I hear she eats kittens so thats out...
Cars After The Age Of Oil: EVs in 2010
by dotcommodity on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 05:20:53 PM PDT
up Brazil as an example! A country which uses bagasse, NOT corn for ethanol!!
If sugar cane industry hadn't died here in Hawai'i, we'd had a chance; no longer do now, tho.
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 06:13:22 PM PDT
line will creep up the continent past Sth America up into like Texas etc...of course its anyones guess whether the accompanying pest eco companions will all go up together...who knows.
by dotcommodity on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:18:00 AM PDT
"the methane hydrates in the Artic Ocean are starting to dissolve and we're all fucked". Which Russian scientists are reporting. I don't know about the second part of my comment.
A Storehouse of Greenhouse Gases Is Opening in Sibera
by the fan man on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:43:00 PM PDT
by mcmom on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:28:20 PM PDT
in the "could happen" category. I guess it's now in the "it's happening" category.
by the fan man on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 04:09:32 PM PDT
diet: beef/lamb/pork--- about 20 years ago, was an ecology course I took as a "returning" student.
I could not, in good conscience, reconcile the then-facts in re use of water in production of meals-on-the-hoof! Nor the land devoted to feedlots, as well as antibiotic use, hormones in meat, etc.
PBS just did a program about two guys who acquire one acre of farmland in Iowa (as tenants of larger land owner). Intent was to grow nuthin but corn, then track costs, outcomes, where final product ends up.
As described, sounded booring as hell, but turned out to be fascinating! Can we all say: "high fructose corn syrup", boyz 'n girlz?!
So when Maher made those remarks last nite, resonated as quite familiar, logical argument to my ears!!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:16:37 PM PDT
...would've watched more but it was like 2 am....but the part I saw was fascinating.
Did see the part where the corporate woman was explaining the change to HFCS and then the comments on why, in addition to gasoline production, ethanol was depleting corn at a high level.
And, I have heard of HFCS problems before but have been looking at contents on packaging more lately just to avoid it. It's not that easy...
by Hedwig on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:25:40 PM PDT
soda in years!! First place to start, IMHO!!
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:27:21 PM PDT
what would I put in my Rum and COKE? How would I get into R&C Fridays without it!?!?!? :)
Exactly, all the stuff that tastes so good not only costs more than stuff that is good for you but it also will just killy ya faster. We're a weird species eh?
Still, I mostly drink plain, ole tap water on ice. But I'm not sure Rum and H2O would fly... ;)
by Hedwig on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:33:52 PM PDT
I hope not.
by Rick Winrod on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 03:18:52 PM PDT
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:25:10 PM PDT
does tend to be very wasteful.
However, done well, animals provide fertilizer, weed control, open space, and can share their habitat with wildlife.
Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!
by elfling on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:52:12 PM PDT
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:19:01 PM PDT
My partner announced yesterday that she was getting a beehive so I might be able to one up on her and get me some nice cheese in the process.
by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:26:45 PM PDT
have goats munching grass. This is very interesting to my 12 y.o. granddaughter, who has never encountered a goat closeup!
To her, they just appear to be adorable little grass-mowers. I haven't the heart to tell her they're often not such friendly buggers!!
We have many apiculturists, and our unusual blossoms make for some great honey! Clover, you say? Nah!! ohia lehua!
I've got some weird allergies, and have managed to reach age 71, w/o ever finding out if I'm one of those unlucky persons likely to go all anaphalactic 'n die from being stung!!
Lacking frost, many critters are 12-month pests in Hawai'i!! Bees 'n wasps not really "pests", but they are always around.
by dolphin777 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:59:03 PM PDT
Get two. They are social animals, and one will be lonely and distressed.
You do understand that each female goat will produce between one and three babies per year. Castrated and fattened up, the boys could make good eating. Young goat meat tastes almost exactly like lamb and can be cooked in the same recipies.
Renewable energy brings national security.
by Calamity Jean on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:07:19 PM PDT
Turning Star Thistle into chevre... :-)
by elfling on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:28:12 PM PDT
wide narrow
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