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primary season is over.
by citizenx on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:07:00 PM PDT
for sticking with it.
If nothing else, she needs to lay off the Republican talking points. Democratic dollars should not spread Republican BS.
Tom Kertes - End poverty by securing human rights for all.
by tomkertes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:09:29 PM PDT
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funny bit here:
by Steven R on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:11:30 PM PDT
But still funny.
"Some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok." - Barack Obama
by Joe Beese on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:04:22 PM PDT
it to the convention. Does anyone see a sudden surge of new donors for her ?
by Earl3 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:14:04 PM PDT
We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/
by anastasia p on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:39:40 PM PDT
McCain and Lobbyists; McCain on NAFTA
by ETinKC on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:45:59 PM PDT
Jackie Speier was elected to fill Tom Lantos seat in CA-12. She endorsed Clinton.
Ohio Reps (that's representatives, not republicans) Tim Ryan and Betty Sutton endorsed Hillary last week.
Also last week, two add-on supers were selected in New Jersey, Jim Florio and Brendan Byrne. Both endorsed Clinton.
Over the same period of time the following supers endorsed Obama:
Nancy Larson - DNC, MN Andre Carson - IN-7 Mel Watt - NC-12 David Price - NC-4 Reggie Witten - OK Add-on Harry Thomas - DC Add-on Steven Achelpohl - DNC, NE Enid Goubeaux - DNC, OH
by PointGuard on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:19:53 PM PDT
talk about the cogs of a long-running, well-oiled political machine. I have family members who campaigned for those guys back when Methuselah was a boy. Or at least when Florio was running for freeholder!
by conlakappa on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:50:16 PM PDT
That is, on the day of her swearing in. Yet, like Richardson, she had good things to say for both candidates and hope she remembers that when we all will need to support Obama to win in November. At least she committed, I'll give her that.
by dkosdan on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:26:47 PM PDT
that she will never get to run again because of how dirty and poorly she has run this time. Therefore, she NEEDS to win this time. She won't, of course, but she'll try everything to do so, including staying in the race for far too long.
"The man and the hour have met!" Ladies and gentlemen, the next President of the United States, Barack Obama!
by PittsburghPete on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:24:05 PM PDT
If she needs to wait 8 years, she'll be too old to run.
The only way she runs in 2012 (assuming Obama gets the nomination now) is if Obama is a total flop. In which case she should run again.
But claiming that she can't run again "because of how dirty and poorly" she has run this time is just looking at things through Obama-tinted glasses.
by clbrune on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:00:35 PM PDT
will never forget the dirty tricks.
Nor will many others.
And we won't forget her billionaire friends once again threatening the national party.
She and her friends have, by their own choice and her choice of direction, not only burnt, but blown up all their bridges.
New Yorkers may buy it for one more cycle, but never those of us in unimportant states. Anyone but Hillary.
Thank You, Senator Clinton :-)
by Eman on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:21:04 PM PDT
we won't forget her billionaire friends once again threatening the national party.
I had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder.
by ruscle on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:31:31 PM PDT
PA. As we've seen in most other primary states, his voters are typically younger and we all know polls rarely count that percentage.
I'm crossing my fingers.
"In political discussion heat is in inverse proportion to knowledge." J. G. C. Minchin
by LucyMO on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:10:31 PM PDT
Cell phones and such don't lead to accurate polling and the talking heads are out of touch.
Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore
by Horsehead on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:14:42 PM PDT
has failed to materialize, ever. Every election, someone goes "oh, but the cellphones!" and every election it proves to be irrelevant.
jaiapprovedthis - Because I am right about things. Abolish Superdelegates by 2012
by Jaiwithani on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:24:19 PM PDT
I think there was a cell phone factor there.
don't link to MSM; support your alternative grassroots media by linking to them
by john from vermont on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:34:41 PM PDT
You bet your ass I'm bitter. And, yes, middle-america 'values' voters, you *have* been duped. Obama's right. And I'm bitter as hell.
by ChurchofBruce on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:45:14 PM PDT
But cutting off the debates is a good move, and Bunton should let folks know why-- because Democratic candidates debate Democratic candidates during primary season.
Hillary isn't one any more, and primary season is over.
So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"
by khereva on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:14:49 PM PDT
Very well said sir!
You're My Kind of Stupid.
by SteamPunkX on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:31:53 PM PDT
campaign ?
by Earl3 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:25:58 PM PDT
that she saw campaign internals with an Obama by two points.
Want to learn more about Values-Based Living?
by slinkerwink on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:31:02 PM PDT
by Earl3 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:32:47 PM PDT
in Clinton's favor.
3-4 weeks ago, the meme in play was that Clinton was ahead in the mid-teens in PA and that to really show her chops for those SDs out there (and perhaps have a glimmer of hope of winning the popular vote), she needed to push into the low 20's. In other words, she needed a "boot stomping" victory, the likes of which Obama has done on many occasions in this primary season.
Indeed, with the delegate assignment ratios as they are, a "boot-stomp" is usually the only thing good enough to create a major spread in the delegate count for any single state.
Now, with all the Obama optimism, we've helped lower the goal posts. Now an 5-10 point win by Clinton is going to be able to be spun as a "big win". And what if she does end up with a 12-15 point advantage? It definitely could happen - "late deciders" have broken more for Clinton in the last couple of primary states, esp. Ohio and Texas.
What we're all mutually allowing ourselves to buy into is a new frame that will allow the "expected outcome" of just a couple weeks ago be spun as a "monster win" for Clinton. That was exactly what happened in Ohio and Texas (and yes, I am aware that Obama walked away with more delegates from TX).
My advice - play and act like we're still 15-points down; and quietly hope for a much different outcome. I phonebanked all weekend and called and sent notes to every friend, acquaintance and relative I know of in PA in support of Obama. I'm sure many others posting here have done likewise and/or canvassed door-to-door.
Just don't help the Clintonistas move the goalposts again!
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson
by frisco on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:52:54 PM PDT
margin of victory, she limps into North Carolina. If Obama wins, she drops out immediately. The supers will start their stampede tomorrow.
by Night Runner on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:11:00 PM PDT
The supers will start their stampede tomorrow.
I wish I could be as sure and sanguine as you seem to be about that. The Supers have shown a seriously impaired backbone to date, imo.
by frisco on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:55:00 PM PDT
I remember you well at the Chelsea motel you were famous, your heart was a legend
by gregoryjames on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:07:37 PM PDT
Remember... The media still says she "won" in TEXAS..
A "Big Win" is whatever the Mainstream Media decides it is...
by IndianaDemocrat on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:15:14 PM PDT
not in percentage terms but in terms of absolute # of voters, and what that does to Obama's lead in the popular vote.
And my bet is, the conventional media follows her.
by Hprof on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:26:43 PM PDT
and she'll run until she runs out of money
Fascinating how economics is running this campaign.
by SteamPunkX on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:32:43 PM PDT
She'll still be behind in the popular vote by 600,000 (counting only places where there was actually a campaign and where both names were on the ballot). She will have no chance at all to make up 600,000 among the remaining states.
Just not going to happen.
And of course, it's not about the popular vote anyway as the SDs know.
Besides when she drops out after May 6, she won't give much margin out of KY or WV. She will get the KKK vote there, which may turn out in any event.
by math4barack on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:45:35 PM PDT
Clinton doesn't need to concede in order for Obama to declare the primaries over and move on. If he gets enough mojo out of PA, he can just declare his intentions to concentrate on McCain from here on in. Maybe he's got 50-60 superdelegates lined up to declare for him. He continues to run in IN and NC as he must anyway, but he just stops responding or listening to anything Clinton wants to say. The press will spend a week or so trying to goad Obama into acknowledging Clinton's existence. If he refuses, they will eventually pick up the bit and ignore her as well.
You can fool some of the people some of the time....
by dmoore on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:39:51 PM PDT
I've been wondering for a month why he doesn't simply do that.
Maybe Obama thinks she still has a shot, even if nobody here does.
by clbrune on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:02:42 PM PDT
I agree totally. Obama should declare victory and ignore Hillary from now on.
Hillary isn't going to win enough delegates in primaries to give her a victory. That's not what she's campaigning for. She is trying to force Obama into making some catastrophic mistake, and also to generate enough money to keep her campaign alive. Obama needs to avoid both of those by starving her campaign of attention.
After all, how can Obama's Team say that Hillary should have dropped out long ago, when they still treat her as a serious rival, and spend almost all their time defending against her instead of McCain?
It might be a mistake to vow never to respond to the Clintons. Instead Obama should delegate that to some aide, who comes out once a day and reads a standard denial like "We deny everything the Clinton campaign said about us today".
by Wu Wei on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:10:03 PM PDT
Just do it. Let the press take a while to figure out what is going on. Don't need to get hung up on defending the decision.
I kinda figured he would be doing this after North Carolina; now I'm hoping Pennsylvania goes well and he can start it now. Still need to visit the remaining primary states, register voters, and all that good stuff. It's just that his message shouldn't have anything to do with Clinton.
Clinton can't cause anything substantive to stick to Obama. Her chances consist of Obama having a stroke or getting hit by lightning. Campaigning is not her path to the nomination.
I has a bucket.
by flight2q on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 02:21:51 PM PDT
Has so much merit that I am forced by reason to agree with it.
Why treat her with legitimacy as a candidate when she doesn't have any?
Treat her like McCain treated Huckabee.
Treat her like Nader.
by math4barack on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:48:01 PM PDT
Why not?
by laketahoeblue on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:39:17 PM PDT
Turn out the lights The party’s over They say that All good things must end Call it tonight The party’s over And tomorrow starts The same old thing again
~Willie Nelson
"we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex" Dwight D. Eisenhower
by bobdevo on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:48:30 PM PDT
Every single day, some genius says "NOW, at last, is the time for her to get out."
Whatever. She'll be out when she says she's out. I'd expect nothing less from a high caliber presidential candidate.
by clbrune on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 01:57:10 PM PDT
wide narrow
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