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but i'm in the south right now and it is a church in SC, so...my apologies to you, however.
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by TheGreatLeapForward on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:41:06 PM PDT
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Or extend your vacation to visit a few other regions, find their local morons, and add them to your list.
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by pat208 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:42:37 PM PDT
there are morons everywhere, but there is a special culture of it in the South. I'm Southern too, and I really tire of my "brethren" trying to pretend there's no difference between the South and anywhere else. There is, but people from elsewhere should realize there are still plenty of intelligent, aware, and progressive people even in the worst areas.
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by bythesea on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:46:59 PM PDT
As an African-American from the South, (not that we're ever allowed to consider ourselves Southernors, mind you) I know that there's bigotry everywhere. Still, the South has its own special brand. And the North, and Midwest have their own brands as well.
And I bet you, anyone, no matter what their background and whatever type of discrimination they might be subjected to, from white straight protestant men to arab gays, can tell you that while discrimination is not confined to one region, different regions manifest it diffrently.
And the south has it's own, rather infamous brand, of bigotry that even the most racist 'working class Bostonians' haven't been able to emmulate.
Case in point Mississippi. Despite the MSM orgiastic frenzy to prentend it represent 'Mainstreme America' or the racial aspects of this race, I'm sure...when the counting is done, it will have proved to have been the most racially polarized primary this year.
by kingfishstew on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:54:07 PM PDT
The statistics speak for themselves. White people in the south are MUCH more prone than white people in other regions to be stupid enough to vote Republican, for all kinds of ignorant bigoted reasons. That goes just as well for affluent white southerners as it does for poor ones, although in the case of the affluent ones, it is less stupid: they are PROUD to be protecting their privilege. As for the poor ones, well, white poverty is simply much more COMMON in southern states than it is in Maine or Montana. Well, maybe not Maine so much, but that is an outlier. Oddly, (I don't know about adults), poverty among white children is highest NEITHER North nor South but in that swath of border states where Hillary won so handily: WV, KY, TN, AR, OK. All of these places were slaveholding in 1861, even though only AR and TN actually joined the confederacy. After that we have MS and LA. Of the top 9 states for white child poverty, the only two that are not in the south are Maine and Indiana. But Maine went overwhelmingly for Obama, while the most poor-white states went overwhelmingly for Hillary and went Republican in 2000 and 2004. MS and LA went for Obama because THERE, the white people are oppressing black people so much harder that they're actually doing better, and they're registered Republican, so they couldn't vote in our primary.
Seriously, though, if Hillary's primary success in the states with the highest levels of white child-poverty would translate into getting those people to actually vote Democratic in November, maybe she IS more electable. But it's not going to happen: white people in those places REALLY ARE STUPIDER than white people in other places.
Obama is going to do better in MS than anybody has in a long time, but carry it? I'll believe it when I see it.
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by ge0rge on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:26:49 PM PDT
that significant numbers of those ignorant people that vote republican in the south weren't born in the south don't you?
by jfromga on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM PDT
the fact that you are trying to portray ignorance as a "southern" problem.
There are stupid-uninformed people everywhere.
Obama isn't treating the south like it's stupid & I hope more of his supporters will catch a clue & start acting the same way!
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by Fawkes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:51:31 PM PDT
"all southern people are ignorant"? no, it does not. so let's leave it at that, yes?
by TheGreatLeapForward on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:53:01 PM PDT
that you are trying to perpetuate with your diary.
by Fawkes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:56:55 PM PDT
a bullshit stereotype. White southerners are at least 2-1 Republican in most places, and as poor as most southern states are, that cannot happen without a lot of poor white people voting Republican because they believe bigoted stupid shit. At HIGHER percentages than in OTHER places.
by ge0rge on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:28:20 PM PDT
It's not bullshit. Are there good progressive people there? Yes. Are there unreconstructed confederate attitudes there? Yes! Is there a overall difference than other sections? HELL YES!
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by UndercoverRxer on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:28:55 PM PDT
And the only thing worse than a Republican is a Democrat who thinks that the South is full of nothing but stupid people.
I expect to be treated like shit by a Republican.
It would be nice if Democrats would refrain from such nonsense.
by Fawkes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:36:09 PM PDT
And you are not who I am talking about. But can you honestly say that there is no problem down there? Look at the electoral college map, look at the congressional delegations, etc. I have so many less problems with mean ignorant jerks here in the midwest than I did in central florida. We don't have mega churches here and 15 high schools in 1 town due to religious differences and racism. I'll never live down there again.
by UndercoverRxer on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:23:45 PM PDT
But it's NOT just a southern problem...and that's what this diarist is trying to make it out to be.
by Fawkes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 07:37:37 PM PDT
... shiftless and lazy," we can just leave it at that, right?
No we cannot.
You've made a completely ridiculous, broad brush slur on an entire region based on some nitwit's church sign. Then you've done every back flip imaginable ("Hey, I'm Southern, too!") when you got called on it.
I'm actually a Northerner who has been proud to call ATL my home for 15 years, and as an adopted Southerner who knows the dirty secrets of Midwestern and Northeastern moronitude, which is also quite substantial, I get very protective when people from elsewhere make such blanket proclamations about a region that is no better or worse than any other.
by pat208 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 02:59:49 PM PDT
you and Fawkes are the only ones torqued off about it right now, but I will be more mindful in the future. Can't please all the Kossacks at once, y'know.
by TheGreatLeapForward on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:09:46 PM PDT
Just stop acting like ignorance is a "southern" problem.
It's not.
It's a human condition.
Some people suffer from it & some don't.
But you help nothing by acting like this Obama/Osama silliness is a "southern" thing.
by Fawkes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:27:37 PM PDT
diary in order to vilify the South. The church is in South Carolina, so just deal with it. It would be a travesty if it were in PA or Oregon or Kansas. It just happens to be in the South. I live in the South too, and I don't have a problem with this diary. The truth is the truth.
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by Mad Kossack on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:20:29 PM PDT
to make it a "southern" problem from the title of his diary.
Also, telling someone to "just deal with it" is rude.
The truth is the truth. I know that. There are stupid people everywhere.
The stupid people in this church are southern.
As long as Democrats keep looking down their noses at the South, then the problem will not improve.
I'm happy that Howard Dean & Obama have both looked at the South as a region that needs dialogue & discussion and not more of the same old derision.
by Fawkes on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:31:06 PM PDT
The fact is, the South needs to get its shit together. That doesn't mean I or anyone else is "looking down" on the South. The rest of the country needs to get their shit together as well.
This church is in South Carolina, and South Carolina is part of the South. Should we just ignore stupid, ignorant, dangerous bigoted attitudes like this just because we don't want to offend our fellow Southerners? Because it's embarrassing? Because there are also stupid people in other parts of the country? I don't think so.
I don't think that Rev. Byrd is interested in being part of Howard Dean's or Barack Obama's dialogue & discussion.
I'm not going to ignore the stupidity and ignorance that is in my own backyard. I'm surrounded by it here in Tennessee. I don't care who else calls it out either. As far as I am concerned, Neil Young has a more accurate view of the South than did Lynnyrd Skynnyrd, and I've lived in TN, GA, and AL all of my life.
by Mad Kossack on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:21:52 PM PDT
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by mad ramblings of a sane woman on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 05:05:00 PM PDT
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